Just joined and realized my first is a DISASTER!

Just joined and realized my first is a DISASTER!

Soho, NY · Member since 2012 · 23 posts · 0 votes

I have no business in RE, but when I found a home in AZ that was in the right area and for the right price, I decided to buy it and rent it out till I retire, or sell it since the market was a buzz at the time.

Here are the details.
Asking was 975K
Purchased for 850K
Previous owner was allowed to live there for 3 months at 3K each month after he agreed to fix up 20K worth of repairs and improvements. He was a nice guy and I wouldn't let 9k let the deal slip away from me

I put in $0 in improvements as the home is only 4 years old and amazing in every way I could ever want.
But I did invest 170K plus CC and own 20%

I ended up renting it out for $4600 to an exec at a large corp in the area with a 3 year lease (great for me as I may want to move there in 7-10 years) , my PITI payment is around $3750.

So after some other minor expenses, I'm cash positive but my ROI will be low and slow and instead of appreciation being icing on the cake, it's really the cake, period.

What should I do different if buying a SFH again, Ive learned about the 2%, 50% and 70% rule too late, but it doesn't change how much I love the house which I will eventually move into.

FWIW, my income is such that 1K or so in cash flow a month is negligible and but 3K-8K more per month when I retire will be great. I just to make sure I set myself up for that.

Thanks everyone!

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Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
13y

David Janash Since you want to live there, it's different. But for "investments", I think you've answered your own question. Less than 1/2% per month in rent will never be good. You may not get 2%/mo. in that market but 1.25 to 1.5% may be more in line.

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  • Real Estate Coach · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 72 posts · 23 votes
    13y

    David,

    It is not a disaster...you have a great investment property that will increase in value over time and you do not have negative cash flow.

    Now it is time to move on and look towards your future investment properties, Arizona is a great area for real estate investing. The three P's of investing are location, location, location or location, jobs and population and Phoenix area has all three.

    Before you do anymore investing here are the questions I would ask myself.
    1. How much cash do I have to invest?
    2. How soon do I want to reach my monthly income goal from investing?
    3. How much time do I have to put into investing?
    4. If a home goes vacant how much do I have in reserves to cover the costs until I get another renter?
    5. Do I want to be a property manager or do I want to just receive checks in the mail?

    Asking yourself these questions will help determine the types of investments you get, the RE investment techniques you use and you will determine if your goal is realistic.

    Be excited...the future is bright.

    Marv Rousselow

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    13y

    David Janash Since you want to live there, it's different. But for "investments", I think you've answered your own question. Less than 1/2% per month in rent will never be good. You may not get 2%/mo. in that market but 1.25 to 1.5% may be more in line.

  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2012 · 147 posts · 76 votes
    13y

    David,

    Your post is very interesting.

    Comments from a salty old landlord:

    1) Your cash flow / ROI is a problem for me, since it doesn't include maintenance, reserves for replacements and upgrades required (if you want to keep it being an "executive" house, or any rentable house at all), allowance for management and vacancy, etc. (that's even if the house was in perfect condition and needed no maintenance on the day you last saw it.) I have many rentals and if I send you my schedule E, you'll see it shows that rentals cost more than just PITI to own, sad, but true.

    2) If you just "ride it out" for 3 years, and then add back your maintenance and replacement later, and don't think of it as part of your rental, you don't really have the $1,000 cash flow "ROI" that you speak of, but you'll come out ok, most likely.

    3) Assuming you're an aging "boomer" as I am, or as you stated, at least headed for retirement, you probably made a good move, as if it's a desirable retirement destination for boomers with money, the competition for houses in that area would likely grow, so you may have been wise to lock something in now.

    It's hot over there, don't forget to get the air conditioning serviced regularly - hopefully you've got someplace cool to go in August.

    Joffrey Long

  • Soho, NY · Member since 2012 · 23 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    I'm actually 35 and have a substantial income. I'd like to retire at 50, or at least slow down, and do the managing of RE and other buzz ventures in AZ at that time. For now my job requires me to be in NY all the time and it somewhat physically demanding. I'd like to hire a property manager to do it all for me if I can later as well. For now, the others have been spot on, after potential repairs and improvements I can walk away with little to no cash flow. If the apartment was vacant for 6-12 months, it wouldn't be a huge deal and I would spend a lot of time out there during the colder months, but it would defeat the purpose a bit. I guess I am not really investing with this house as most people on here would or should. It's a personal goal and the tenants just buying me time, not making me money.

    i would like to parlay gains from appreciation or additional investment income into something real in AZ though, and while I'm making good money and am healthy and able I'd like to jump in 10 toes.

    Should my first step be to find a wholesaler or MF property?

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