Seller has Mortgage. Is Selling to me on Installments

Seller has Mortgage. Is Selling to me on Installments

Real Estate Investor · Mid-Mich, MI · Member since 2008 · 2 posts · 0 votes
Hi, thanks for reading. 98% of the homes in my area fall into two categories: cheap but bad neighborhood; nice but will sell all-cash within 4 months. So, when I find the rare person willing to take payments, I want to jump on it. The seller has a loan on the property and he's going to sell it to me. We both know that this may violate the due on sale clause, but neither of us are too concerned. His payment on the mortgage has taxes and insurance escrowed. I was going to simply take it over sub2, but he doesn't want to do that. So, these are my options:

1. I buy it from him on INSTALLMENTS/LAND CONTRACT, and we record a "Memorandum of Land Contract." This would, I think, prevent any liens against him from going against what will at that time be MY house. I'll get title insurance if they let me. Negatives: bank could be mad. More importantly, although he already has a landlord insurance policy, it's in HIS name. Wouldn't I have to name myself as additionally insured? I don't want to get nothing out of the deal in the chance there's a disaster, not to mention my tenants who will be in there.

2. I buy it from him on LEASE OPTION. Insurance is fine. Due on sale clause is fine (well, an option may/may not be seen as a complete sale, but better than land contract, I'd think). But if I do it this way, what happens if he gets a lean against him? Also, I can't buy title insurance on this either, right? Also, in EITHER of these situations, if he stops making the payments, along with his credit, I'm screwed, right?

3. (Learn a method to convince him to give it to me subject to! We've already agreed I pay $2k down. Unfortunately he's already said no to this :(

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  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    12y

    Welcome to BP TJD!

    What your seller is probably unaware of is that a land contract has foreclosure issues for him that didn't use to apply, he's probably an old operator thinking he can do stuff as it was done 10 years ago. You have the quit claim deed issue, insurance issues, interest deduction issues that should be agreed to.

    If he won't do it Sub-2, he's not really trying to sell it.

    Read more here about the issues with each of those aspects. Yes, lots of ways for you to lose.

    You need to establish his motivation to sell, if you can't identify a good reason for him to do an installment contract, that can be a red flag as to him being a wash, rinse and repeat type. :)

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    Talk to a local RE attorney. With a land contract, and the title remaining in his name, even with a recorded memorandum, I don't think it shilds the property from additional liens.

  • Wholesaler · Avon, CT · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    Two words: Due. Diligence.

    Two more: Full. Transparency.

    The very first thing I would do is research exactly what he owes, and to whom. If he wants to sell, get him to show you his cards, and showing him yours can only help your case. Negotiate on your interests, not your positions (eg; "it's in our mutual best interest if we agree to 'x' because I need 'y' and I want to make sure you get 'z'"). If he's being cagey about giving you honest answers, he's not really a motivated seller. Thank him for his time and move on. This is not the droid you're looking for.

    This should go without saying, but Please, for the love of God, DO NOT get involved with anything that can possibly be viewed as even mildly unethical, even if you're 150% sure that it's legal, and "probably not" a cause for concern. In this business, one hint of an even vaguely shady deal, and you're done with any professional investor worth their salt. That's a death sentence for your business. Additionally, it makes the rest of us look bad, and we don't like that. I'm not trying to scare you off; I'm advocating caution and enlightened self-interest.

    Don't try to get creative until you have gotten educated. Once educated, however, by all means, get as creative as possible :P

    Typically, an L-O shouldn't initiate a due-on-sale clause until the actual closing, but that may be entirely dependent on the wording of the mortgage contract. If you don't know how to read a mortgage contract, find someone who walk you through the process.

  • Real Estate Investor · Mid-Mich, MI · Member since 2008 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Wow, I got some great replies in such a short time. I know what forum I'll be hanging around from now on :) BTW, I forgot to mention that I'm thinking of putting $2000 down. I know that will probably make most of you say, "Don't do it!" The only reason I'm interested in this house is because there are so few to choose from which I can make payments to own.

    Bill: Interesting thoughts. And you're right. The only difference between him doing sub2 and land contract is that the payments flow through him. I realized I'd need to be named on the escrowed insurance, but I didn't realize that there'd be a quit claim deed or interest deduction issue. Can you elaborate on those?

    His motivation is that he doesn't want to be a landlord (because he doesn't know how to find good tenants, I'm guessing). It kind of seems like sub2 is the only way that would be safe for me, right?

    Daniel: thanks for the advice. I will go talk to the lawyer Thursday. In my area it's hard to find advice. I mean, it took forever to find an accountant who DIDN'T tell me "you don't need an LLC." 'Uhh, yes, I do!' And it took a while to find a lawyer who could even understand anything that is written in this thread.

    Sub-2 isn't too creative IMO: he GIVES me house, I give him $2000 for the pleasure. I get additionally insured on the insurance, I record the deed, I make the payments, we hope the bank doesn't get upset.

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