The difference between a good deal and a good property

The difference between a good deal and a good property

Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes

It should be obvious, but aparently it's not. Most new investors are so hung up on getting a "good deal" and are willing to considered a wired or undeireable property, just to get a good deal. And even if the "good deal" comes at the cost of beeing not a good property. 

I was no exception in my early years. The fallacy is even more obvious with residential buyers: they feel good about a deal as long as they can negotiate down from list price. Even if they are still over paying. On the flip side they feel bad about offering more, even if that is still withing fair market value.

The longer I do this the more I think of my real estate as a collection. And today, I evaluate properties more on how desireable they are (or can be made) than how good of a deal I get looking at present value. Once you can look back on 10 or 15 years of investing you realize a few things: 

1.) you always feel you are paying too much. 
2.) 10 years later you don't even recall how much you paid
3.) the year later you wish you had bought more for that price
4.) what really matters is that you have bought GOOD properties and locations

I believe it is a mistake to buy based on cash-flow only. "Run your numbers until you find a good deal" is horrible advice when considered in isolation - noobies will buy a bad property, just because the cashflow is $200 better than a desireable property that would benefit them so much more in the long run. And sorry to say this, if you really "need" $200 every month, you should not be investing in real estate in the first place! 

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  • Kenneth GarrettPro Member
    Investor · Florida Panhandle/Illinois · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8mo

    @Marcus Auerbach

    Sometimes those two factors are difficult to distinguish between a good deal and a good property.

    I like to invest in B areas. Not saying over the years I haven’t invested in some C areas. For me B is the sweet spot. Better school districts, better tenants to choose from and higher rents.

    For markets that appreciate in value and rents increase annually those are good quality properties. Cash flow is a bit subjective. As they say, time in the market can alleviate questionable investment if you bought in the correct location. Location Location Location!!!

    I will never buy a property that does not have positive cash flow. Appreciation in my book is the bonus. Solid neighborhoods with a decent tenant pool will beat high cash flow on questionable areas.

    • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
      8mo
      Quote from @Kenneth Garrett:

      @Marcus Auerbach

      Sometimes those two factors are difficult to distinguish between a good deal and a good property.

      I like to invest in B areas. Not saying over the years I haven’t invested in some C areas. For me B is the sweet spot. Better school districts, better tenants to choose from and higher rents.

      For markets that appreciate in value and rents increase annually those are good quality properties. Cash flow is a bit subjective. As they say, time in the market can alleviate questionable investment if you bought in the correct location. Location Location Location!!!

      I will never buy a property that does not have positive cash flow. Appreciation in my book is the bonus. Solid neighborhoods with a decent tenant pool will beat high cash flow on questionable areas.


      You are a seasoned investor and you know how to get a good deal on a good property. But every post that you read on BP that starts with HELP ME is a story about someone how got maybe a good deal, but on a really bad property.

      I think new investors have a harder time to understand what makes a good property. Cash flow is black and white (as long as you believe your math). And the math looks often the best in a class D neigborhood. Good cash flow and on top of that it feels safter to invest a smaller amount, which of course it's just the opposite. If you follow the classic definition, Class B is above the median price for the city and usually dosn't cash flow unless you put 30% or more down. But yes, that's where the long term wealth is.

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