Cross Boarder Renters - What are other Canadians Doing

Cross Boarder Renters - What are other Canadians Doing

Vancouver, BC · Member since 2014 · 45 posts · 6 votes

Hello, 

We have 2 condos in Western Canada and are looking to grow that number a bit.  The numbers in Canada and, in particular Vancouver, just don't work like they do in the US.  The 2.0% rule here is 0.3-0.4% if you're lucky and it doesn't get better outside the city, and forget about cash flow, the goal of most condo/sfu landlords is to only loss a few hundred bucks a month while the properties appreciate (think San Francisco on steroids, avg house price here, $1.36M).

I'm looking south for greener pastures (er, doors), anyone have experience as a cross border (Canadian/US) landlord?  What are the tax implications? Do you always use Canadian banks in the US (RBC I think is the one I see most).  What is the best method of getting to know the various rental markets in cities you're not familiar with?  I assume one of the best ways to find good local realtors and property managers is through referrals here, any other good experiences/tips for building a team in a different city? 

A bit about our goals, we're looking at condos that can cash flow positive $100-200 per $1000 of rent, 0.95-1.05% under the 2% rule of thumb.  Goal is definitely cash flow over appreciation, which will affect the taxes question I'm sure.  Have not used a property manager yet, though would likely have to cross border and would consider small multi-unit places (4-8, but we're still thinking about it) at the right price. 

I'm sure I've missed a ton of information that you'll need to answer the question, so let me know what else I can add and I'll get it up there.

Thanks  

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  • Investor · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Hey Sean,

    I too have had the same issues with finding cashflowing Canadian properties, as I am originally from the Toronto area.  Therefore, about 2 years ago I turned my attention to the US market and started my education, and took me about 6 months of research to even get comfortable investing here.  

    There are many considerations you must take into account when investing cross-border, namely how do you hold title to the property, income taxes, estate taxes, long-distance investing issues (ie. trusting property managers, contractors), building team members, etc.  

    You can get mortgages through PNC (bought out RBC's branches) and BMO Harris, as well as TD Bank I believe. They offer 70% LTV on "Second homes" and up to 50% on investing properties. The trick is to find a broker at one of these banks who bends the rules a bit, and will continue to loan on multiple "2nd homes". The other key is to invest in sunshine states, or vacation destinations as buying a 2nd home seems more credible.

    As for condos, it is very tough finding good cashflowing properties, (at least in South Florida, my market) since the HOA fees are generally quite substantive in relation to the rents the units command. Plus you have very little control over the monthly fees which can be raised at any given moment's notice by the condo board. You are often better off going with a SFR since there are generally no to low fees. But if you find a cheap condo via foreclosure, can still cashflow provided the rehab costs are minimal.

    Hope that helps.  Please email or PM me if you can any further questions, would be glad to assist in any way I can.  

  • Vancouver, BC · Member since 2014 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the reply?  Wonder if maybe notes are the way to go cross border instead.... Less hassle with being a non local landlord that way. 

  • Investor · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Notes are a good option, but i have no experience investing in these.   There are several people on here who do, and some related podcasts as well.  Happy investing and good luck!

    Chad

  • Vancouver, BC · Member since 2014 · 45 posts · 6 votes
    12y

    Thanks Chad, sorry, was on an Ipad, the question mark above should be a period. 

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