Cash-out refi after full-cash purchase

Cash-out refi after full-cash purchase

Investor · Wheeling, WV · Member since 2014 · 19 posts · 4 votes

I'm currently looking at a foreclosed property. Fannie is requiring that investors have a cash offer. The property is $24,000. Needs about $10,000 in repairs. ARV is $50,000. Not quite the numbers that hard-money lenders want to see. And I don't really want to flip. It is a multi-family property that I want to hold.

I have the $34,000 available in the form of a HELOC on my primary residence that I would lend to my LLC. So purchasing the property and renovating is not an issue. However, I don't want to take years to pay back my personal HELOC. I'd rather have a note in the name of the LLC using the RE as collateral and immediately pay back (most) of my personal HELOC.

Has anyone had any recent luck with a cash-out refi if you own the property outright? I searched the forums and saw some older posts but wanted to see if this is still a common practice. Is there another way I should be approaching this?

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Joe VilleneuvePro Member
Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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Yes. Depending on the source of the refi, you can do from 70-80%, cash out, and seasoning anywhere from 2-12 months. We use sources that give us 75% in 2 - 6 months. What you are describing is the normal way we do REI.

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  • West Chester, PA · Member since 2014 · 2 posts · 0 votes
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    You should be able to cash-out after 6-12 months on a 2-4 unit investment property, up to 70% loan to value.

  • Investor · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2013 · 80 posts · 26 votes
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    Youn can do the cash out refi after a seasoning period (typically 6mos to 12mos).

    That you will NOT get a loan in the name of your LLC - is my guess. Just do the normal cash out refi in your own name to payoff the HELOC.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    Yes. Depending on the source of the refi, you can do from 70-80%, cash out, and seasoning anywhere from 2-12 months. We use sources that give us 75% in 2 - 6 months. What you are describing is the normal way we do REI.

    Joe Villeneuve
    REcapSystem
    A2REIC

  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 3 posts · 5 votes
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    Most seasoning periods are 6-12 months. Some lenders will allow for shorter seasoning as long as you allow them to pay back the HELOC with the loan proceeds directly through closing.

  • Investor · Wheeling, WV · Member since 2014 · 19 posts · 4 votes
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    Originally posted by @Paul Granneman:

    Youn can do the cash out refi after a seasoning period (typically 6mos to 12mos).

    That you will NOT get a loan in the name of your LLC - is my guess. Just do the normal cash out refi in your own name to payoff the HELOC.

    Is it difficult to get a cash out note in the name of the LLC?

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 142 posts · 104 votes
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    It's difficult to get financing in the name of your LLC. You're going to cut off all of the more normal 1-4 unit type loans. What you might be able to do is find a small local bank that would loan to the LLC, but you are really going to cut your chances. Even if you find someone to loan to the LLC, there's a good chance you'll have to personally guarantee. Check it out, but probably the best loan will be one to you personally, not your LLC.

  • Oakley, CA · Member since 2014 · 38 posts · 11 votes
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    Would the same be true if a house is in the name of a Family Trust instead of LLC?
  • Real Estate Investor · Abington, MA · Member since 2011 · 356 posts · 114 votes
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    Some investors I know in my area have been able to obtain financing with the LLC holding Title. All got commercial loans from small banks and had to sign personally. They also had worked at building a relationship with the bank.

  • Investor · White Plains, NY · Member since 2013 · 18 posts · 5 votes
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    I am also looking for portfolio lenders that will cash out re-fi in an LLC after I buy cash and renovate. Anyone have any contacts?

  • Lender · Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2014 · 7 posts · 0 votes
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    I know of some lenders that will cash out re-fi 5 or more properties at a time in an LLC but I don't currently know of a source for a single property re-fi within an LLC. Local bank or credit union would be your best bet.

  • Investor · White Plains, NY · Member since 2013 · 18 posts · 5 votes
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    First Western Federal Savings bank will do it on a single property.  I'm looking for others.

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