When to cash out on single family home

When to cash out on single family home

Englewood, CO · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 1 vote

I have a single family home in colorado that was recently remodeled with the thought it would be my long term home. I have since moved out and have gone back and forth on keeping it as a rental or selling and cashing out on the property. My concern is the ongoing maintenance of such a large property and I put more money into the remodel than I would have if I originally viewed it as a rental. My thought would be to use the proceeds from the sale to purchase a condo or townhouse which i view as an easier type of property to maintain. As a rental it would have about $200-300 after 1st mortgage,HELOC,maintenance, and vacancy taken into account. If sold should make about 120-150k. Any thoughts? What is the thought process of selling a property?

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Dave FosterBusiness Member
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
10y

@Peter O'Bryan, Regardless of your decision there are two very important factors to consider now that can compound your return.

1. as @Travis Sperr alluded to, the first 250K  (500K if married) of gain is tax free if you've lived in that house for 2 out of the last 5 years.  The time doesn't have to be consecutive, just a total of 2 out of the 5 before you sell it.  

So if you're short on time you can move back in for the remaining necessary and turn a huge tax hit into tax free.  Even better is if you already have lived in it long enough you could sell now and take the gain tax free...or wait and rent it for an additional 3 years (this way you've still lived in it for 2 out of the previous 5).  By doing this you enjoy three more years of income and appreciation and you don't have to make a decision right now.

2. If it is a rental now you can still benefit from doing a 1031 exchange when you sell.  This will not eliminate the gain immediately but it will defer the tax on it and you will be able to use the deferred tax to buy more replacement real estate.

Both of these factors should play strongly into your decision - taxed to tax free or taxed to tax deferred.  Nothing will boost your return more than paying attention to these immediately.  And they can both be made to work with whatever timing scenario you want.

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  • Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 597 votes
    10y

    The right time to sell a property is different for everyone. A few considerations in this scenario-

    Have you lived in the property 2 of the last 5 years? if so selling would deliver the proceeds to you tax free.

    The sentiment of your post feels like you really don't want to rent this property - both because you fixed it up too nice for a tenant and you don't want to deal with it, both very fair feelings. If you would be more comfortable starting your portfolio in condos/town homes it looks like a great opportunity to jump into one or two.

    Can you produce a better or similar monthly cashflow in a different property?

    I just recently sold a single family house to buy two town homes with a similar equity position because the units were about 30 years newer, easier to manage and better properties for a long term hold.

    Ultimately what works best for you may be different than the opinion of others but take them all into consideration.

  • Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 21 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    You could also lease-option it.  Being that the Denver area property values are still rising, has become a high rental metro, and is short enough on inventory as it is, a lease option might not be a bad idea for your situation.  

  • Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2009 · 718 posts · 913 votes
    10y

    How big is the home?  I'm actually dealing with a similar problem right now.  I've got a 5/3.5 2200 square foot rental that I'm dumping because the ongoing maintenance/make ready  is just brutal.  Plus, the people who rent large homes tend to have a lot of kids and are very, very hard on the home.  In my defense, this was an earlier (and dumber) purchase.

    Certain homes work for rentals but large, former primary residences generally do not.  The only reason you would want to keep it (maybe) is if you saw a lot more appreciation and rent growth in your area and thought that would offset the extra costs.  I don't see it with my particular rental, but I'm obviously in a different area.

  • Realtor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    What are your goals? Do you want to own a rental property that only cash flows a few hundred a month? As long as you are clear of the cap gains tax, I'd say sell and move on. 

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 7 votes
    10y
    Peter, I just sold two homes in the Denver area this year due to our strong seller's market. My opinion is that people should sell in a seller's market and buy in a buyer's market. I was able to sell a condo in Westminster and exchange it for a duplex in Memphis plus a SFR in Indianapolis. I sold my Northglenn townhome and bought 2 more SFRs in the Indianapolis market. My cash flow increased, and I was able to do this tax deferred inside a 1031 exchange. Why not look out of state at some other markets where you can achieve higher cash flow? I have found "turn key" operators in Indy, Memphis, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Jacksonville, Orlando, etc. A turn key team will find, renovate, and lease the property before you close, and will offer ongoing property management for you. Joel
  • Englewood, CO · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    thanks for the feedback and helping me see the different sides of this issue!  It is a lot to chew on but ultimately I think it is time to move on from this property.  I'm going to take my gains and find a more suitable investment property.  Thanks again!!

  • Real Estate Agent/Property Management · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 827 votes
    10y

    @Peter O'Bryan   I always like to consider the opportunity cost in a situation like this.

    The opportunity cost is the $120,000 to $150,000, minus any tax liability, if any, that you could invest elsewhere. Compare that to the $2400 to $3600 a year you would clear by keeping the home as a rental.

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y
    When you first squire a property you are making 25-40% a year total returns (check out my website for the calcs). But as your equity goes up that total return per year goes down. By year five it could go down to 15-20%. By year 10 if the market is good you could be all the way to single digits. It's a personal choice when to sell or refinance but I make a move before 15 percent.
  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    10y

    If you can afford to keep it I would hang on of,it for awhile. Let the tenants pay down that mortgage for you then when it's time to sell you will be putting a few 100k in your pocket as opposed to 150k.

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    10y

    @Peter O'Bryan, Regardless of your decision there are two very important factors to consider now that can compound your return.

    1. as @Travis Sperr alluded to, the first 250K  (500K if married) of gain is tax free if you've lived in that house for 2 out of the last 5 years.  The time doesn't have to be consecutive, just a total of 2 out of the 5 before you sell it.  

    So if you're short on time you can move back in for the remaining necessary and turn a huge tax hit into tax free.  Even better is if you already have lived in it long enough you could sell now and take the gain tax free...or wait and rent it for an additional 3 years (this way you've still lived in it for 2 out of the previous 5).  By doing this you enjoy three more years of income and appreciation and you don't have to make a decision right now.

    2. If it is a rental now you can still benefit from doing a 1031 exchange when you sell.  This will not eliminate the gain immediately but it will defer the tax on it and you will be able to use the deferred tax to buy more replacement real estate.

    Both of these factors should play strongly into your decision - taxed to tax free or taxed to tax deferred.  Nothing will boost your return more than paying attention to these immediately.  And they can both be made to work with whatever timing scenario you want.

    The 1031 Investor5137 Reviews
  • Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 35 posts · 17 votes
    10y

    In my humble opinion, sell the home.

    Don't fall into being a landlord, but plan to be a landlord. 

    This home was not remodeled as a rental property, so I can only assume the products within the property are above rental quality...and tenants will not treat the property like you would treat the property.  It sounds like you have the property ready to be put on the market for sell, and that's what I would do.  Take the proceeds, payoff the debt associated with the property and buy a true rental...like you already mentioned as your first thought.

  • Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2016 · 14 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    The problem with selling is obviously the huge transaction costs - i.e. realtor, closing costs, etc. Better to use as investment, borrow against it or be creative in some way!

  • Amarillo, TX · Member since 2015 · 44 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Keeping the property is probably not a bad thing.  If the numbers are right then you may be able to have a cash flowing property that will continue to build equity assuming the market value increases.  Of course, you don't want to bet your money on the equity later, but rather focus on the cash flow now.  Alternatively, you can sell the property yourself or use an agent, which since you are a seller will generally run you about 6%.  If it makes since to do that then go for it.  

  • Contractor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2014 · 123 posts · 115 votes
    10y

    This is something you need to decide for yourself. Asking other people's opinions is great. Asking other people to tell you what to do is not a long term path to success. Analyze the pros and cons of your scenario, seek clarification on anything you are not clear on, then make the choice you think is best for you. If you are happy with your choice long term, great! If you are not happy with your choice long term, now you have experience to draw from in the future. At the end of the day it's just money. Relationships and experiences are much more important - you can always make more money.

  • Englewood, CO · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Thanks.  Really with there was a magical number to tell you what to do but as with everything each individual needs to make the best decision they can.

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