Using a HELOC for Down Payment on Investment Property

Using a HELOC for Down Payment on Investment Property

San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 16 votes

Hello,

My husband and I bought a vacation home (2nd home) about a year ago and have been renting it out on Airbnb since January 2017. We bring in an approximate gross profit of $3k per month and a net profit of around $2k. 

We bought the property using a mortgage, and due to the home being mis-marketed, we got it at a steal of $95,900 but the appraisal came in at $125k. After our rehab of the property and the quick upward trend in the housing market in the area, we estimate the home to be conservatively appraised at $165k if we were to have it reappraised.

We're excited by the success of the Airbnb property but want to give a go at long term renting so as to not put all of our eggs in one basket and start to diversify. We're trying to figure out the best option for financing our next property, and our goal is a duplex for no more than $110k + $10k in cosmetic rehab.

We have some cash in the bank/savings, but not a ton (and we'd like to have much of it kept in the bank as a security net). So, we're looking for the best way to finance our next downpayment + rehab costs. Right now, the mortgage on our 2nd home is financed at a rate of 3.5%, and refinancing would bring it up to around 4.625%, so we think we'd prefer not to mess with our current mortgage. And just as a note, we live in San Francisco and don't have a primary mortgage (we rent) so we can't cash out refi on any first home.

The option we're considering the most is to do a HELOC for part of the down payment and also partially use our cash savings. Is this the best option? Is there any reason this would be a poor option to take? We're trying to follow the BRRRR strategy but are not quite sure we want to let go of our current mortgage rate.

Thank you!

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Investor · Long Beach, CA · Member since 2016 · 75 posts · 24 votes
9y

@Melissa Nichols I'm sure you've already ran the numbers and considered the monthly interest on the HELOC into your cash flow numbers. But since HELOC rates are variable and interest rates could potential be raised twice more this year, take that into consideration when crunching your numbers. The BRRRR strategy is great for a HELOC but only if you're able to pay down the HELOC in a relatively short time. The seasoning period to refi an investment property is typically 6 months from initial purchase close date. So you'll at least be paying 6 months of interest on it plus the interest on the rest of the financed portion. Make sure you're still cash flowing with these things factored in. Also, take into account the closing costs for a refi. Unless you buy 20-30% below retail cost, there might not be a way to come out ahead on the refi 6 months after purchase. I'm all for leveraging but just make sure numbers make sense if you need to keep HELOC out there for 12 months or longer and interest rates go up a point. Additionally, taking a HELOC out on an investment property comes with higher rates than doing it on your primary. So shop around for % and LTV.

Good luck!!

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  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Belvidere, IL · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    We did something similar to fund one of our duplexes. Bought a house, had 50K equity, got a HELOC, turned that into DP money (mixed with savings). Works great. Make sure you are comfortable with the lender and let them know what you are doing so you don't get the HELOC and then the debt you incur with it puts you out of ratio. Great strategy (especially on a heavy cash flowed property.)

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 16 votes
    9y

    Thanks, @Joshua Allen. Good to hear from someone else who has done the same thing.

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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Joshua Allen:

    We did something similar to fund one of our duplexes. Bought a house, had 50K equity, got a HELOC, turned that into DP money (mixed with savings). Works great. Make sure you are comfortable with the lender and let them know what you are doing so you don't get the HELOC and then the debt you incur with it puts you out of ratio. Great strategy (especially on a heavy cash flowed property.)

     Hi @Melissa Nichols, yup this is pretty much spot on. Make sure the lender local to the state where you are buying ($110k duplex = not in California I am guessing :P ) is REI friendly and on board with it all.

  • Investor · Long Beach, CA · Member since 2016 · 75 posts · 24 votes
    9y

    @Melissa Nichols I'm sure you've already ran the numbers and considered the monthly interest on the HELOC into your cash flow numbers. But since HELOC rates are variable and interest rates could potential be raised twice more this year, take that into consideration when crunching your numbers. The BRRRR strategy is great for a HELOC but only if you're able to pay down the HELOC in a relatively short time. The seasoning period to refi an investment property is typically 6 months from initial purchase close date. So you'll at least be paying 6 months of interest on it plus the interest on the rest of the financed portion. Make sure you're still cash flowing with these things factored in. Also, take into account the closing costs for a refi. Unless you buy 20-30% below retail cost, there might not be a way to come out ahead on the refi 6 months after purchase. I'm all for leveraging but just make sure numbers make sense if you need to keep HELOC out there for 12 months or longer and interest rates go up a point. Additionally, taking a HELOC out on an investment property comes with higher rates than doing it on your primary. So shop around for % and LTV.

    Good luck!!

  • Real Estate Investor · Bentonville, AR · Member since 2017 · 40 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Great question I am interested on doing the same. 

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 16 votes
    9y

    @Chris Mason Thanks! Good to know it's important to make sure they're on board with the strategy. Believe it or not, we are talking California (Twentynine Palms)!

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 16 votes
    9y

    @Eugene Rogachevsky Thank you! Super helpful. Appreciate the reminder of being sure to shop around.

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