Cash flow strategy, education, funding and 1031 exchange

Cash flow strategy, education, funding and 1031 exchange

Investor · Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 1 vote

Hi all,

First I'm a newbie to Bigger Pockets so this is also a quick introduction. I'm based in San Francisco and have been investing in real estate part time over the past five years, having purchased in total three out of state rental properties (Vegas & Phoenix, one condo and two SF) and holding them for past five years. The purchase timing was good and though I made a lot of mistakes and had my fair share (and then some) of unfortunate incidents (replacing roof, flooding, water heaters, bad tenants, etc) during the past years in terms of managing the properties, I have learned a lot and made a nice cash flow and all properties appreciated significantly. I sold the smallest property last year and now looking to sell one of the single family homes I own in Phoenix and hopefully get into multi-family units and do a 1031 exchange. I've also participated in a few syndications. 

A few questions that I was hoping the community could help me with:

1) Strategy - I'd like to increase my passive income over the next year from ~2K/month to at least ~5K/month which should cover most of my living expenses. The question is what is strategy is best to move forward? Over the years with all the troubles I had I thought it's best to move towards passive investments with syndications. I've had luck with those so far. That said, lately I realized that I'm actually not bad in handling my properties and if I changed my mindset slightly I can actually continue active management but double down and move into multi-family. It's been very clear early on that having a handful of SF is not diversified enough to absorb shocks to cash flow from big ticket items such as the ones I've dealt with (flooding, etc). So a few questions:

- What strategy to move forward to increase cash flows quickly given I have a lump sum in my hands and experience with active management at least of SF homes - should I move to syndications or build my own managed portfolio? Is multi-family the best direction or other asset type?

- How much time do you think it'll take today to build such a portfolio - I am currently in between gigs so  should I focus 100% of my time now on finding the best deals and get the portfolio stabilized for the next few years, or should I find a job and continue doing the real estate on the side. Said differently, for a new comer to MF, is it reasonable expectation to be able to get in multi-family while working full time and how long in today's market (and I know this is a very generic term but I'm open to any geography) would it take to secure one, two (or more) multi-family properties. I assume most of the leg work on the ground would be to find the right realtor, property management, contractors and properties but once team is in place hopefully most can be done remotely. 

2)  Education - I've started to educate myself on the many options and reading books, listening to podcasts, etc but am a bit overwhelmed right now. Any pointers to good reads that can get me up to speed fast  would be most appreciated. Also, any specific podcasts, forum threads on top.

3) Financing - Given I don't have employment income at the moment I heard that I'll have to rely on cash only to make first purchases so if I managed to do the 1031 exchange I should have ~$300K of all goes well, and I can also add from my stock portfolio and sell other SF so I can potentially double that if not more.

4) 1031 exchange - I've never done these before.  I've read about it a bit and seems like I need to find around three properties asap in order to actually get it done if I plan to the SF on the market in the immediate future. Given the current market, is that a reasonable expectation?  It seems like finding a good deal and building a team from scratch would take months so either I delay my sell plans (and perhaps rent month-to-month in meantime) or forego 1031 exchange. Thoughts?

Sorry for the long post. I welcome any advice, tips or leads per above.

Thanks!

Ron

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Dave FosterBusiness Member
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
9y

@Account Closed, Your 1031 will key off of the sale date of your old property unless you do something like a reverse exchange.  But given your employment status that might be tough without private money so let's leave that one alone for a sec.

The statutory order of the 1031 is that you must close the sale of your old property before you close the purchase of your new property.  From the date of that sale you have 45 days to identify your potential replacements and a total of 180 days to close the purchase.  

In a heated up market like SF you will probably not find properties that sellers are willing to wait on you to sell your old property.  So although the exercise of shopping now is very good, you will probably see a whole different set of inventory when you finally sell your old property. 

The 45 day window seems daunting to many people.  But most investors discover that real estate is truly a commodity, and while the addresses may differ, the inventory of a particular type that is available in a particular area doesn't change dramatically over short time periods.   So yes, inventory might fly off the shelves but it is also replaced with other inventory.  Your key is to be focused and diligent so you can jump on opportunities instantly during that 45 day window.  Having your exchange proceeds sitting waiting for you for earnest money and proof of funds will be a plus to sellers.  

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  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    9y

    @Account Closed, Your 1031 will key off of the sale date of your old property unless you do something like a reverse exchange.  But given your employment status that might be tough without private money so let's leave that one alone for a sec.

    The statutory order of the 1031 is that you must close the sale of your old property before you close the purchase of your new property.  From the date of that sale you have 45 days to identify your potential replacements and a total of 180 days to close the purchase.  

    In a heated up market like SF you will probably not find properties that sellers are willing to wait on you to sell your old property.  So although the exercise of shopping now is very good, you will probably see a whole different set of inventory when you finally sell your old property. 

    The 45 day window seems daunting to many people.  But most investors discover that real estate is truly a commodity, and while the addresses may differ, the inventory of a particular type that is available in a particular area doesn't change dramatically over short time periods.   So yes, inventory might fly off the shelves but it is also replaced with other inventory.  Your key is to be focused and diligent so you can jump on opportunities instantly during that 45 day window.  Having your exchange proceeds sitting waiting for you for earnest money and proof of funds will be a plus to sellers.  

    The 1031 Investor5137 Reviews
  • Investor · Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    @Dave Foster Thanks for your comment. Just as clarification - I don't have any intent on exchanging to investment property in SF (nor do I have the funds for that). I think I just need to start doing my research and outreach to find the market and deals I want to go after.

  • Queen Creek, AZ · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    We just did a 1031, selling a Phoenix property and purchasing several SFRs in Milwaukee.  Our gross rents tripled but we are not expecting any appreciation.  

    Fell free to PM me or call on a weekend if you want the details.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chandler AZ and Sylvania, OH · Member since 2009 · 708 posts · 561 votes
    9y

    So I think you are asking how to increase your cash flow by 3K a month without using any additional cash.  You are saying you can sell a couple properties to get 600K to do a 1031 exchange, correct?  I'm not sure what % of your existing cashflow the 2 properties constitutes.  Assuming based on equity position, they probably constitute a large portion of the cashflow.

    Let's work the math backwards.  If you want 5K a month, or 60K a year on 600K, that's a 10% return cash on cash.  There are plenty of markets in the midwest that will yield that return.  But what you are likely exposing yourself to is a different tenant class and asset class.  

    You seem to have managing 3 houses down but say you buy 6 60K houses, there is lots of those around.  They likely yield you about 6K a year in passive cashflow, so about 500 a month.  So 3000 + the remainder of what's left of your existing portfolio so you might get to 3300 a month.

    Getting to 5K a month with what you have may be a stretch without introducing new capital or leveraging.  You can take the 600K and buy an 2M apartment at whatever the going cap rate, maybe an 8 cap.  I'm not into commercial so my knowledge here is limited, but you can do the math and see if it will give you a better return.  

    I've done 6 1031 exchanges this  year, it's worked out well for us.  It is a powerful vehicle to move into larger assets. 

    The two thoughts I would put out there is moving from a nice 300K SF asset class to a 50K SF comes with it's own risks.   You mention you want passive income.  Syndication, managing portfolios etc are not forms of passive income, those are jobs.

    Sounds like you are an independent/freelance consultant/contractor.  While you have time now, doesn't mean your next contract will allow you the same flexibility.  I'm also an independent contributor in the IT space and I manage my portfolio, so I have 2 jobs, all day everyday.  

    Good luck 

    Stone

  • Rental Property Investor · Chandler AZ and Sylvania, OH · Member since 2009 · 708 posts · 561 votes
    9y

    Sorry my math was wrong, 10 60K houses, so it would take you to 5K. 

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