Benefits to investing in more than 2 different markets?

Benefits to investing in more than 2 different markets?

Real Estate Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2013 · 474 posts · 214 votes

We are invested in two very popular secondary markets for investors. Good cash flow, low price points, steady growth projections, and these two markets are in very different geographic regions. It seemed pragmatic a year ago to diversify to that second market and I am very glad that we did so.  

So now I am wondering if it's worth going after a third market. Anyone out there who has taken a DIY approach to REI (ie not through turnkey companies) and is actively investing in 3 or more markets (meaning not just holding rentals from once upon a time but still looking and buying in at least 3) care to chime in? Should I try to enter a different type of market (lower cash flow, higher appreciation potential?) and/or should it be in yet another geographic region? (I am strongly considering a number of cities that are located in the states we're already in)

I don't want to do it for the sake of doing it, but rather because there are tangible benefits. It seems the cons are rather obvious (diverting my focus and attention, having to find another network of professionals I can trust, less economies of scale, more travel) and I'm not sure there are a whole lot of benefits. Fwiw, one of the reasons REI has been such a good fit for me is that I am an avid traveler and passionate about cities/urban planning. So I already spend a lot of time studying cities and their history, touring neighborhoods, analyzing how they've developed and progressed, and all that jazz. I've spent years doing this in dozens of cities across the country so it's definitely a passion independent of my passion for real estate.

Look forward to hearing the community's thoughts, especially from the folks investing in many markets. Thanks in advance!!

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Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
8y

Lacking scale in one market can suck.  Lacking scale in three markets can suck three times.

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  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 31k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Maxwell Lee:

    We are invested in two very popular secondary markets for investors. Good cash flow, low price points, steady growth projections, and these two markets are in very different geographic regions. It seemed pragmatic a year ago to diversify to that second market and I am very glad that we did so.  

    So now I am wondering if it's worth going after a third market. Anyone out there who has taken a DIY approach to REI (ie not through turnkey companies) and is actively investing in 3 or more markets (meaning not just holding rentals from once upon a time but still looking and buying in at least 3) care to chime in? Should I try to enter a different type of market (lower cash flow, higher appreciation potential?) and/or should it be in yet another geographic region? (I am strongly considering a number of cities that are located in the states we're already in)

    I don't want to do it for the sake of doing it, but rather because there are tangible benefits. It seems the cons are rather obvious (diverting my focus and attention, having to find another network of professionals I can trust, less economies of scale, more travel) and I'm not sure there are a whole lot of benefits. Fwiw, one of the reasons REI has been such a good fit for me is that I am an avid traveler and passionate about cities/urban planning. So I already spend a lot of time studying cities and their history, touring neighborhoods, analyzing how they've developed and progressed, and all that jazz. I've spent years doing this in dozens of cities across the country so it's definitely a passion independent of my passion for real estate.

    Look forward to hearing the community's thoughts, especially from the folks investing in many markets. Thanks in advance!!

     Pros

    • Risk Diversification
    • Potential to find better opportunities
    • More property available to choose from

    Cons

    • Fewer economy of scale benefits
    • Stretched to thin due to more things to keep track of
    • Additional risk due to higher overhead
    • Risk of needing to rely on a new set of individuals (Sometimes the Devil you know is better than the one you don't)
    • Potential to end up with less profitable opportunities
  • Real Estate Investor · Encinitas, CA · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    @Maxwell Lee Heck no!  I stick with one market.  The one salient issue that you brought up is economies of scale.  It just costs money to periodically visit properties.  Now if you have 20 units in each market then that gets ameliorated but most people don't.  If you take what a lot of people on BP think is a good metric: cash-flow $100/month then a single visit during the year (plane, rental car, food, hotel, etc.) will wipe out your cash-flow.  I'm not saying that I wouldn't invest in another market and it's not that I haven't looked but I just haven't found that it made sense.

  • Real Estate Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2013 · 474 posts · 214 votes
    8y

    @James Wise Thanks for your thoughts. So would the increased risk diversification be worth all the cons? How do you quantify the benefits of such diversification?

    @Andrew Johnson That is actually a really sound, logical concern that I think is often overlooked. I know a handful of long distance investors who have purchased a few properties in several markets...I wonder their rationale on this. For me, it's not much of a factor since I actually flip in both of my markets and make some decent income that way. It's just a by product of having teams set up already and being so active in studying the neighborhoods and seeking deals. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y
    I’ve decided to invest consistently going forward in two markets but I will be capping it at those two. Part of my reasoning for this is diversification but also one market doesn’t have a lot of “small” multifamily while the other has a lot. This will be beneficial when I get into residential multifamily and then commercial.
  • Real Estate Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2013 · 474 posts · 214 votes
    8y

    @Caleb Heimsoth Thanks for your reply! So you are seeking to diversify your types of properties? That's why you are in multiple markets. Am I interpreting you correctly?

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y

    yes right now that’s not the case but I’m thinking long term.  You can’t build an empire in a day.  I’m thinking on terms of 5, 10 years and beyond 

  • Real Estate Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2013 · 474 posts · 214 votes
    8y

    @Caleb Heimsoth Gotcha, it makes sense and it's a good point. 

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y

    Lacking scale in one market can suck.  Lacking scale in three markets can suck three times.

  • Real Estate Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2013 · 474 posts · 214 votes
    8y

    It took me a few moments to let your comment sink in @Mike Dymski

    At first I was thinking, well I don't think I lack scale. We've got more than enough going on in each of our markets. But then I realized how it does affect me...if I enter a new market, I must do so very deliberately, with an intention to scale before too long. Thanks!

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