The Disconnect Between Listing Agents, Sellers & Investors

The Disconnect Between Listing Agents, Sellers & Investors

Real Estate Consultant · Brighton, MI · Member since 2013 · 607 posts · 251 votes

I am a licensed Realtor working with investors looking in the Michigan Livingston, Washtenaw, & Oakland counties and a long time BP member. There are some solid investments to be made outside of the motor city, that's for sure. Most investors rely on hard money lenders to secure non-homestead/investment properties. However, there often seems to be a disconnect between seller and purchasing investors.

Although many investors know and understand that a prospective investment property must be at least 75%-80% tenanted when utilizing any type of financing for the purchase (esp. hard money). Although there are many properties promoted towards investors, they are often vacant. Sellers will often let their leases expire when planning to list the property for sale because they don't want the complications of trying to arrange a showing with tenants. However, what they don't realize of course is that this limits the possibility of a purchase to cash only for an investor because many lenders will not lend on a vacant property.  

If the property is at least 80% tenanted, then you have something to show the lender that proves the property is generating cash flow. This doesn't preclude the fact that just because it's generating income doesn't guarantee you'll actually make a profit, of course.

I'm also an investor and landlord. What frustrates me is when listing agents take on a listing knowing it's an investment property and yet do not include any of the basic information on the listing itself. What is the rent(s)? Length of leases, holding costs itemization, repairs in last 12 months, GOI and ROI, vacancy rate, who pays for what, etc. Listing agents can easily include this information on the listing itself and along with the Seller's Disclosures.

I find that every once in a great while I'll come across an agent who, like me, has personal experience with property investing. It's so very refreshing when I come across an agent who has information ready and available to me and subsequently my investor. Most of my time is spent chasing up agents for basic information then waiting for days for a reply.

I'm sure many of you have had similar experiences. I think part of the problem lies in the fact that less than 2% of real estate agents work with investors who comprise as much as 37% of purchasers. Lack of knowledge on listing agents part contributes to mistakes on the seller's side which can cost him/her time on the market.

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
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It is a well understood fact that vacant properties typically sell for more than tenant occupied properties. So it is in the sellers best interest to sell after a tenant leaves.  Fannie Mae guidelines do not require a property to be filled in order to lend on it. 

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  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    8y

    It is a well understood fact that vacant properties typically sell for more than tenant occupied properties. So it is in the sellers best interest to sell after a tenant leaves.  Fannie Mae guidelines do not require a property to be filled in order to lend on it. 

  • Real Estate Consultant · Brighton, MI · Member since 2013 · 607 posts · 251 votes
    8y

    Thanks for your reply, however, I beg to differ.  If the property is marketed to investors, more often than not, they want it cash flowing. 

    I don't know the Maryland market so I'm speaking only to my own market & experience. Having sold SF homes also, it's easier to sell a home that is nicely furnished than vacant. Vacant houses sit on the market longer. 

  • Specialist · Ann Arbor, MI · Member since 2017 · 74 posts · 22 votes
    8y

    @Russell Brazil

    Is that just for 1-4 unit properties? I know SFRs go for more money, a lot quicker if they are vacant. I haven't seen much variation in the 2,3,4 range as far as vacant vs occupied.

    That being said I've seen a lot of 5+ unit buildings that are vacant. My understanding is for commercial loans, the subject property needs to be at least 80% occupied.

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Christopher M.:

    @Russell Brazil

    Is that just for 1-4 unit properties? I know SFRs go for more money, a lot quicker if they are vacant. I haven't seen much variation in the 2,3,4 range as far as vacant vs occupied.

    That being said I've seen a lot of 5+ unit buildings that are vacant. My understanding is for commercial loans, the subject property needs to be at least 80% occupied.

     Residential properties, not commercial. Small commercial can have more variance as to the specifics of the market.

  • Rental Property Investor · Ann Arbor, MI · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 25 votes
    8y

    For me, if the SFR investment property is occupied, i will look at the lease and the tenant's application to ensure that the tenant is someone i want in my investment. I have seen properties with bad language in the lease and the existing tenant, essentially a train wreck waiting to happen, that i have passed on buying - life is too short to take on known problems.

    If the property is MFR, and not fully occupied, then the vacancy is baked into my purchase price. I buy MFR based on actuals. I will not buy based on seller's pro forma expectations. And if it is only partially occupied then there is a warning sign as to something could be wrong. But. if a SFR is unoccupied, it does not bother me too much. I have enough experience to do my own due diligence.

    But @Annette Hibbler, you are correct, most SFR realtors are not proactive and simply get a listing and wait for the calls to view the property. They give the good realtor a bad rap.

  • Ramon HuertaPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Kalamazoo, MI · Member since 2016 · 223 posts · 26 votes
    8y

    Most agent say they are investor friendly but they don't understand they business themselves. Most agents don't liker dealing with investors. 

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