still timid to buy first deal...how does this look?

still timid to buy first deal...how does this look?

Member since 2018 · 82 posts · 16 votes

Would love some feed back or thoughts on this.

I'm looking at a private sale of a rental house. What do you think? I would need to purchase all in cash immediately and then re-finance later. 

  • $145k price, must be all cash 
    • (zestimate @ $158k, Redfin @ $190k)
    • $5k closing fees
    • $3700 annual taxes
  • 3BR, 1Ba
  • has a long term tenant (husband, wife, 2 small kids) since 2016
    • rent $1150/mo. Tenant pays all utilities.
    • lease signed until May 2020...would probably extend again
    • well maintained and new-ish interior
  • Round Rock, TX, suburb of Austin. 
    • walking distance to Dell Campus
    • good pocket
    • I live about 15 minutes away from here
    • I wouldn't need to do a management company
  • the owner is moving out of state and doesn't want to deal w/ a management company
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Accountant · Tulsa, OK · Member since 2018 · 312 posts · 349 votes
7y

@Adam L. When I evaluate something like this, I evaluate it as if I was financing 100% (outside of closing costs) of it because that shows you how much money you would make with basically very little cash in the deal. The thought process is that if it doesn't cash flow positively at 100% financed, then all you are doing with your cash downpayment (or full cash payment) is buying cash flow. I threw your numbers and a few assumptions into a spreadsheet to get the following:

Purchase Price: $145k @ 4.5% 30 yr mortgage - $735.21 per month mortgage payment

Closing Costs: $5k

Monthly income: $1,150

Monthly taxes: $308.33 ($3700/12)

Monthly insurance: $115 (Not knowing your area I totally guessed on this, you might call around and get some quotes so you can estimate this correctly)

Vacancy 8% of monthly rent: $92 (I use 8% because 1/12 = 8.33%, so you basically would save up 1 month's rent each year)

Repairs and Maintenance 5% of rent: $57.50

Capital Expenditures 10% of rent: $115.00

Management Fees 10% of rent: $115.00 (even if you plan to self-manage the property, it's still a good idea to estimate this, one day you may need to hire one, plus is accounts for the cost of your efforts)

The net result is negative cash flow of ($388.04). If everything remains the same but you pay 100% cash for the property you end up cash flowing positive $346.65 per month, BUT your cash on cash return on investment (total annual cash flow of 346.65 x 12 = $4,159.8 / $150k of cash spent) is only 2.77% which is not a good return on your investment. Heck, you can put your cash in an Ally Bank account and make 2.10% on it with it just sitting there. 

Overall this would be a pass for me, but maybe there's an upside I'm not seeing. Maybe you can get the price down or raise rents, but I wouldn't necessarily count on that. Good luck!

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  • Real Estate Agent · Cypress, CA · Member since 2018 · 88 posts · 41 votes
    7y

    @Adam L.

    Hi Adam,

    The property at $145k doesn’t exactly touch the 1% rule. The rent would have to be at least $1450/mo. Not saying that every deal should be analyzed through the 1% rule, but that $1150/mo rent is definitely not enough (as mentioned above) to cover all your expenses.

    Glad you passed on this deal in my opinion.

  • Investor · Albany, MN · Member since 2018 · 15 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Adam L. what it's your goal? If your looking for cash flow then this is horrible unless you plan on putting a lot of money in. If I was to buy a property for 145k I would want at min 2000 a month rent!

  • Rental Property Investor · Martinsburg, WV · Member since 2017 · 111 posts · 81 votes
    7y

    @Adam L. I didn't read all the answers but I'd look up the 1% and 2% rules. Given 100% cash purchasing, there is no way I would go in at asking with this price and property performance.

    Offer to close quickly, not use an agent, etc., something to let them know you are serious but at that rent rate I'd offer something much lower, in the 95-100k territory, if I was paying all cash. It reduces your risk of a volatile market but it also is an opportunity cost.

  • Rental Property Investor · Newport, KY · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Adam L. My guess is it was purchased by someone using the property as their residence and not an investment. Based on SF prices in Austin this seems like the correct route. So it is hard to say whether they overpaid or not.

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2019 · 72 posts · 33 votes
    7y

    @Kevin S. @Adam L.

    Using Kevin’s strategy, it’s a pass for me too unless..... that area is appreciating well. Could you rehab the property later to increase the value/equity?

    If you cannot get your purchase price down, take a look at the long term. I’d gladly take a short term hit if it means bigger opportunities later by appreciation or rehab/refi.

  • Rental Property Investor · Gulfport, MS · Member since 2018 · 113 posts · 133 votes
    7y

    @Adam L. I would say no. Run full numbers and this won’t cash flow I’m pretty sure.

  • Member since 2019 · 13 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Thank you @Alvin Sylvain.   Probably something like this may help with estimate:

    per 30 years
    new roof25000
    new paint 2x16000
    new garrage doors2000
    new carpet 3x10000
    interior paint 2x6000
    new fridge800
    new fence2000
    washer/dryer1500
    dishwasher600
    water heater700
  • Member since 2018 · 82 posts · 16 votes
    7y

    WOW, ok, so I have some more details, just doing overanalysis of this dead deal....in case anyone else is reading and learning too.

    https://imgur.com/a/6jZEpC8

    My local Credit Union gave me a financing estimate. They appraised @ $160k, and in TX, you can only max out @ 75% LTV for investment properties.

    So...

    • $145k purchase price
    • Rent $1150/mo
    • Taxes $3700/yr
    • $120k refinance
    • $645/mo mortgage

    ...not much room for cash flow.

    So would this have just been an appreciation property value purchase?

  • Wholesaler · Austin, TX · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    Hey Adam,

    Having been born and raised in the Austin area and currently residing in Round Rock, TX, I can say this seems to be a common trend in local areas. You have to consider with all the new development going on the prices will go higher as many investors shift their focus more towards Pflugerville, Round Rock, Georgetown. That being said the notorious 1% rule can be a little more elusive to find but not impossible...yet. For a property to start at $145k even for a 1 bath is steal. The appreciation will definitely be the major factor on this deal. 

    Thank you for the follow up on your post, I'm always curious to see the out comes. Are you a buy and hold kind of investor or flipper, or both?

  • Member since 2018 · 82 posts · 16 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Joshua Esparza:

    Hey Adam,

    Having been born and raised in the Austin area and currently residing in Round Rock, TX, I can say this seems to be a common trend in local areas. You have to consider with all the new development going on the prices will go higher as many investors shift their focus more towards Pflugerville, Round Rock, Georgetown. That being said the notorious 1% rule can be a little more elusive to find but not impossible...yet. For a property to start at $145k even for a 1 bath is steal. The appreciation will definitely be the major factor on this deal. 

    Thank you for the follow up on your post, I'm always curious to see the out comes. Are you a buy and hold kind of investor or flipper, or both?

     I haven't done anything yet but looking to be a buy/hold person. I've got a day job already and not looking to replace that w/ flipping.

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