Are banks still doing cash-out refi's for investment properties?

Are banks still doing cash-out refi's for investment properties?

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I was recently told from a lender that amid the Covid-19 crisis, banks are no longer doing cash-out refinances for multifamily investment properties. Is this true? If so, I imagine this would be quite impactful to the BRRR method. They essentially said that for example if you initially purchase (and finance) a home for 200,000, put 100,000 of work into it and then refinance it at say 450,000 at a LTV of 70% the most you could finance is the amount actually borrowed against the property ($200,000). It was always my understanding that if you were able to refinance it at $450,000 at a 70% LTV you should be able to get $315,000, pay off the original $200,000 note and keep the $115,000, hence the whole BRRR strategy. Has there been or is there starting to be a change in this paradigm or does this just sound like the case of one particular lender with tighter standards?

Side question, if you're refinancing an investment property (two family) is the appraisal value based on comps or on income/ cap rates? If its the latter, do you need to have a substantial (like a year) of rental history on the books for the property? 

All thoughts welcomed!

Kevin

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Investor · Columbus, MT · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
5y

@Kevin Diamond

The lender I have used for 8 years just told me the same thing. Due to COVID their underwriting no longer allows a cash out on a multifamily.

I went to the bank across the street and they got it done...

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  • Investor · SC NC, VA · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 756 votes
    5y

    I just did one here in Vermont with a local credit union.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 720 posts · 439 votes
    5y

    @Kevin Diamond, they absolutely do! Just call another bank!

  • Investor · Columbus, MT · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Kevin Diamond

    The lender I have used for 8 years just told me the same thing. Due to COVID their underwriting no longer allows a cash out on a multifamily.

    I went to the bank across the street and they got it done...

  • Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Thank you all very much- Good information to have here!

  • Real Estate Investor · Burlington, VT · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Kevin Diamond  To your question of using comps or cap rates / income for a 2 unit, in my experience banks will generally use comps.  I even have a 5 unit commercial loan and although the appraisal covered both comps and income, they weighted comps more heavily.

    Hope that helps,

    -Tom

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