How do I find out a bank's REO portfolio?

How do I find out a bank's REO portfolio?

Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes

I heard on a podcast awhile back about an investor seeking out bank's REO portfolio's often from a bank officer or president. This is a strategy that I would like to look into for my next deal. What is the best way to reach out to a bank/lender to seek this information?

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Investor 路 Lakeland, FL 路 Member since 2015 路 344 posts 路 606 votes
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Originally posted by @Jacob Casarez:

@Ned Carey How can I get access to them before they reach agents? There is a way to develop rep ore with small banks/institutions to be on a "calling list", etc to allow them to present the deal to me, especially if I give them the opportunity to finance it 馃憤

 Now that you can do with most banks in a reverse engineering way, but it will take much more elbow grease.  (Research wise)

This is a strategy that can be used to build ones own "pocket listings." 

As you may already know, the only way you can usually get an "unfair" advantage over your competition is if you have an agent feeding you pocket listings that he has kept for his special buyers. (I'm not saying this is ethical or even legal, I'm just saying it happens every day)

The issue with this situation is that no one realtor gets all the REO listings, (a safeguard the banks have put in place to stop these types of shinanigans) so most times you are forced to compete with everyone else for the deal once it's on the MLS.

The other issue is, of course, the agent will also have made their recommendation via BPO as to the amount that list price should be, so the bank will not initially accept much less than list price.

So the key is to get to the agent before they do their BPO.  This is where you're elbow grease will come into play.

1) Do a name search in the clerk of courts/register of deeds for deeds going to the bank of your choice within the last month.  Ex: Wells Fargo.

Obviously, banks are not in the habit of buying properties so you know that 99.9% of the time, a deed to the bank will be the final stage of a foreclosure, thus making that house an REO.

2) Now you realize that there is usually a 2-3 month window of time where the subject property you have chosen from your list of deeds is in limbo with the bank.  This is your time to strike.  

Call the bank and get to their REO Dept. As someone already mentioned in a post earlier, they will not sell it to you, but will refer you to the agent they have assigned it to. The cool thing is, if you have timed it right, you will now know who the agent is before the agent himself knows. This is how you are now able to influence the BPO and create for yourself your own pocket listing.

3)  Reach out to the realtor and inform him that he will be getting a listing on the subject property, and that you are willing to buy the property cash, using the realtor as both  the listing and selling agent, for a certain price.  (Don't be ridiculous about the price as there is only so far they can influence the BPO since the bank has probably ordered one before as well as getting the agents opinion)

4) Rinse and repeat.

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  • Paradise, CA 路 Member since 2015 路 1k+ posts 路 871 votes
    10y

    You don't typically get access to these. Sometimes, maybe some lender will post a link on their website but for the most part, the last thing we want is someone calling us all day about our REO properties...that are listed with a local agent. All we are going to do is tell you to call them anyway. You can see HUD homes on line and you can see Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac loans on line sometimes but again, for the most part, lenders don't just hand them out.

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor 路 Baltimore, MD 路 Member since 2008 路 17k+ posts 路 13k+ votes
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    If it is a large national bank our wasting your time. If it is a small local community type bank, just get on the phone and call them. Make an appointment to meet with them and start building a relationship. 

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    Thanks for the info @Ned Carey! Who do I ask to speak with when I call a local bank?

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Chicago, IL 路 Member since 2015 路 531 posts 路 266 votes
    10y

    You are wasting your time. 

    Mortgages are sold off to other investors and banks in bulk. 

  • Ludowici, GA 路 Member since 2014 路 33 posts 路 4 votes
    10y

    if you just Google different banks the majority of them have links on their websites for the properties they have takes a little time. Also you can go to hudhomestore.com and put in your state, zip code or counties that is your target market. That is the one I prefer and they have updates as homes become available. Also if you have a broker they usually have a link to the mlsish that you can use for comps and what not. Hope it helps.

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor 路 Baltimore, MD 路 Member since 2008 路 17k+ posts 路 13k+ votes
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    @Jacob Casarez what did they say on the podcast? I would just ask for the REO dept, loss mitigation, or loan workout dept. A small 1-3 branch bank it won't be hard to reach the right person. larger banks are less likely to work with you.

    Almost all REO these days are sold through agents. Working directly; bank to end buyer, is the rare exception these days. Hence the comment from @Sarah Ziehr.  Any agent an pull up a list of REOs from the multiple list system. 

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    @Sarah Ziehr I am trying to be an "other investor" -- can you give me a formula to get that in with a local bank? I know people from all walks of life are building relationships and doing it everyday so I don't want to hear that it can't be done. Can you help me?

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    @Ned Carey How can I get access to them before they reach agents? There is a way to develop rep ore with small banks/institutions to be on a "calling list", etc to allow them to present the deal to me, especially if I give them the opportunity to finance it 馃憤

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    I am not looking for easy, I am looking for what's going to be worth it! I am young, creative, full of energy and have the endurance to do the leg work to build these relationships and make it happen. I know it can be done, I am only open to hearing HOW it can be done. If you don't know, don't give feedback. Be positive or be quiet 馃憤

  • Investor 路 Big Spring, TX 路 Member since 2016 路 140 posts 路 59 votes
    10y

    Go into the bank and asked to speak to the VP. Introduce yourself and let them know why you are there. Don't come up with anything fancy or lie! Tell them you are an investor looking to take the bad debt REO's and make them good again (if they could give you the loan). They typically won't deal with you if you offer 50% of what they need to clear the loan.

  • Investor 路 Big Spring, TX 路 Member since 2016 路 140 posts 路 59 votes
    10y

    If you're looking to buy properties at a steep discount get with a real estate agent and have them pull a list of forclosures from the MLS.

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Chicago, IL 路 Member since 2015 路 531 posts 路 266 votes
    10y

    What would be the benefit to the bank to sell their inventory to you? 

    They want fair market value, so list on auction sites or MLS.

  • Brooksville, FL 路 Member since 2012 路 429 posts 路 220 votes
    10y

    @Jacob Casarez

    I'd hire you if you were in FL...So much potential, so much energy, completely moving in the wrong direction.

    Just because you can get a deal to go through if you make it your life's work....doesn't mean you should attempt something so difficult.

    @Sarah Ziehr Because banks listen to BPOs, and some BPOs are done by agents that are complete morons. So some banks make what appear to be very bad decisions. Hence, he wants to get to them before they are aware of the mistake by getting multiple offers on the MLS. With him asking for financing too he better have a silver tongue and a tough skin.

  • Kansas City, MO 路 Member since 2008 路 143 posts 路 41 votes
    10y

    I ask my small local banks all the time if they have foreclosures for sale.  They typical say no but sometimes they say yes.  They would be tickled pink if I could take over a property they are foreclosing on.

    Small banks only.

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    Thank you, @Brian Turnbough. That's some good info that I will apply to my regimine 馃憤

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    @Oliver Trojahn AWESOME! Who do you communicate with at the local banks on this topic? Email works really well for me and I get fabulous results and save a lot of time! I just need to know who to ask for at the local banks and how you present your intentions? Excited to hear back from you! 馃榿

  • Kansas City, MO 路 Member since 2008 路 143 posts 路 41 votes
    10y

    I just ask my loan officer who is typically a VP.  In fact, i just asked one of my banks two minutes ago and they have some land for sale.  I may go take a look at that.  Thanks for reminding me to ask.

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    Haha, you're welcome @Oliver Trojahn. You are the man! Keep it up! Good luck :)

  • Developer 路 Philadelphia, PA 路 Member since 2015 路 2k+ posts 路 904 votes
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    Jacob Casarez , if you do a couple million in business with the small banks and know their loan officer, you can form such relationships. In one case a loan officers performance review was coming up and he wanted to reduce the number of under performing loans.
  • Investor 路 Big Spring, TX 路 Member since 2016 路 140 posts 路 59 votes
    10y

    Jacob, you will do better if you go in person. It's all about networking. You can't do it all from your computer. You want the guy making the decision to think of you when he has a REO to unload. Most people don't remember a name from their email but they typically remember a face.

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor 路 Baltimore, MD 路 Member since 2008 路 17k+ posts 路 13k+ votes
    10y

    @Jacob Casarez as @Brian Turnbough says you build relationship in person. Make an appt. and visit in person. Come prepared with a business plan or some sort of resume of your experience and plans. Take them to lunch. Get to know them, both as a person and a business.

    If you really want to know how to build relationships, read one of the best business and self development books ever written; How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

  • Investor 路 Topeka, KS 路 Member since 2015 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    10y

    I use county appraisers site.  I search by owner name and input the names of my local banks.

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    @Jacob Sampson good to know! Are the results all foreclosed properties when you look up your local banks?

  • Investor 路 Topeka, KS 路 Member since 2015 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jacob Casarez:

    @Jacob Sampson good to know! Are the results all foreclosed properties when you look up your local banks?

    Not necessarily. The building they office out of will likley be in there. As you are going through the list any of the homes or land will, likley, be forclosures. Also, remember they usually sell through realtors, so many of those properties will be on the MLS, as well.

    You can search the appraisers site using national bank names as well, for forclosures that national banks own.

  • Specialist 路 Columbus, GA 路 Member since 2015 路 81 posts 路 16 votes
    10y

    @Jacob Sampson Nice! Then who do you reach out to at the bank when you find a property that you like on the appraiser's site? And what would you say in the initial conversation?

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