Home Office Deduction and STR on Schedule E only vs. Sch. C

Home Office Deduction and STR on Schedule E only vs. Sch. C

Rental Property Investor · Henrico, VA · Member since 2019 · 265 posts · 155 votes

I have a couple questions I'd like to run by this group. I self manage more than a handful (except one) of several long term rentals (LTR) and just acquired a STR in December of 2025 (first of this type) that we will be self managing also. We also built an addition onto our primary home in 2025, a portion of which has a dedicated space for a home office. This is in relation to the various tax implications and benefits of STR and the new OBBBill. While I have self prepared taxes via Turbo Tax for years and studied IRS pubs to a certain degree for LTR, I decided to reach out to a CPA this year for another set of eyes and better expertise with these potential implications/events occurring in 2025. I believe both CPAs are quite competent, smart and seasoned/experienced. I respect them both. But am a bit confounded about the varying advice, including to my own reading.

  1. 1.) STR: The 7 day rule and “100 hours of material participation”
  1. The 100 hour rule: You participate for more than 100 hours, and no other individual (including cleaners or property managers) spends more time on the activity than you.

The STR closed mid December 2025. Pro-rating the 100 hours for the year, would yield 21 hours, easily met. As a result of the above, my understanding is this allows it to be considered a "non-passive business" or active income without needing to be classified as a real estate professional. We plan to self manage in 2026 also and so this would not change.

The Accountant I am working with agrees that this “is the correct technical reading of Section 469 of the Code“, however in past client audits with the IRS, the IRS sought to verify a 500 hour participation standard. I would not meet that. This would tip it from a Schedule C (active) to Schedule E (passive).

NOTE: There are enough profits from other LTR, that the anticipated near term losses from the STR could offset some of these and not go so far as to offset W2 income. I also considered 100% bonus deprecation from cost seg, but the purchase price was not terribly high and this would also simply be taking from future depreciation, so I would likely not do it for this one. So, in this sense, no harm, no foul if no other implications and they all fall to an E. This would group the STR with the LTR all on a Schedule E (passive income), with no Schedule C (active income or business).

  1. 2.) Home office Deduction: My reading is that it must be an “active trade or business” activity. Which for rental properties may not qualify with a property manager. It may also qualify though for rental properties if actively managed with decisions made about the management of the property and if 250 hours of material participation from ‘property management’ activities are met. Which I would meet through self management and active decisions with LTR, leading to the feasibility of the office deduction.

The Accountant indicated that unfortunately this is not possible since there would not be a Schedule C or certain K-1s, which is needed for the home office deduction. I have searched online and on this BP forum a decent amount. What I finally came to was, though it was a bit vague and non-determinate, was that an Office deduction could indeed be taken if a Schedule E only, it just needed to be entered as “other expense” manually or something similar to this effect. I do spend a decent amount of time on these activities, and with a new construction in 2025 (~$75,000 attributable to dedicated office space), there could be a sizeable full 100% expense and offset all of a sudden. I’ve also played with Turbo Tax a bit and it too seems to direct you to first enter Schedule C type of self employment business income/activity before allowing you to enter a home office deduction.

If the implication of #1 only was to have it all on a Schedule E, I don’t see a substantive impact or concern. However, the inability for #2, I do see a substantive impact for 2025. Are there any other implications of having ALL these activities on a Schedule E only versus a Schedule E and C?

I noted the advice of one Accountant above, who is very experienced, knowledgeable, and whom I respect. The other is also from a reputable firm (albeit a shorter consultation), however their advice was that it could all be taken (and more).

Are these just different risk profiles that Accountants take with their interpretations of the same language? And what are the answers to #1 and #2? I’m left a bit confused by the varying advice.

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Michael PlaksPro Member
Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
7mo
Quote from @Alex Forest:

I have a couple questions I'd like to run by this group. I self manage more than a handful (except one) of several long term rentals (LTR) and just acquired a STR in December of 2025 (first of this type) that we will be self managing also. We also built an addition onto our primary home in 2025, a portion of which has a dedicated space for a home office. This is in relation to the various tax implications and benefits of STR and the new OBBBill. While I have self prepared taxes via Turbo Tax for years and studied IRS pubs to a certain degree for LTR, I decided to reach out to a CPA this year for another set of eyes and better expertise with these potential implications/events occurring in 2025. I believe both CPAs are quite competent, smart and seasoned/experienced. I respect them both. But am a bit confounded about the varying advice, including to my own reading.

  1. 1.) STR: The 7 day rule and “100 hours of material participation”
  1. The 100 hour rule: You participate for more than 100 hours, and no other individual (including cleaners or property managers) spends more time on the activity than you.

The STR closed mid December 2025. Pro-rating the 100 hours for the year, would yield 21 hours, easily met. As a result of the above, my understanding is this allows it to be considered a "non-passive business" or active income without needing to be classified as a real estate professional. We plan to self manage in 2026 also and so this would not change.

The Accountant I am working with agrees that this “is the correct technical reading of Section 469 of the Code“, however in past client audits with the IRS, the IRS sought to verify a 500 hour participation standard. I would not meet that. This would tip it from a Schedule C (active) to Schedule E (passive).

NOTE: There are enough profits from other LTR, that the anticipated near term losses from the STR could offset some of these and not go so far as to offset W2 income. I also considered 100% bonus deprecation from cost seg, but the purchase price was not terribly high and this would also simply be taking from future depreciation, so I would likely not do it for this one. So, in this sense, no harm, no foul if no other implications and they all fall to an E. This would group the STR with the LTR all on a Schedule E (passive income), with no Schedule C (active income or business).

  1. 2.) Home office Deduction: My reading is that it must be an “active trade or business” activity. Which for rental properties may not qualify with a property manager. It may also qualify though for rental properties if actively managed with decisions made about the management of the property and if 250 hours of material participation from ‘property management’ activities are met. Which I would meet through self management and active decisions with LTR, leading to the feasibility of the office deduction.

The Accountant indicated that unfortunately this is not possible since there would not be a Schedule C or certain K-1s, which is needed for the home office deduction. I have searched online and on this BP forum a decent amount. What I finally came to was, though it was a bit vague and non-determinate, was that an Office deduction could indeed be taken if a Schedule E only, it just needed to be entered as “other expense” manually or something similar to this effect. I do spend a decent amount of time on these activities, and with a new construction in 2025 (~$75,000 attributable to dedicated office space), there could be a sizeable full 100% expense and offset all of a sudden. I’ve also played with Turbo Tax a bit and it too seems to direct you to first enter Schedule C type of self employment business income/activity before allowing you to enter a home office deduction.

If the implication of #1 only was to have it all on a Schedule E, I don’t see a substantive impact or concern. However, the inability for #2, I do see a substantive impact for 2025. Are there any other implications of having ALL these activities on a Schedule E only versus a Schedule E and C?

I noted the advice of one Accountant above, who is very experienced, knowledgeable, and whom I respect. The other is also from a reputable firm (albeit a shorter consultation), however their advice was that it could all be taken (and more).

Are these just different risk profiles that Accountants take with their interpretations of the same language? And what are the answers to #1 and #2? I’m left a bit confused by the varying advice.


So, you paid two CPAs for consultations, and now you want a 3rd consultation from us, and for free?  :)

To your #1. Your pro-ration calculation from 100 hrs to 21 hrs does not math for me. But more importantly, there is NO proration. You need 100 hours during 2025.

To your #2. Yes, you could claim HO on Sch E if you pass all qualifications. TurboTax will not do it however, it is a manual entry. More importantly, HO deduction cannot increase or create a loss for the current year. It can only offset your net positive income. 

But there is a lot of details to all this, and you need to either settle on one of the two CPAs you already connected with or find a third one.

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  • Michael PlaksPro Member
    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    7mo
    Quote from @Alex Forest:

    I have a couple questions I'd like to run by this group. I self manage more than a handful (except one) of several long term rentals (LTR) and just acquired a STR in December of 2025 (first of this type) that we will be self managing also. We also built an addition onto our primary home in 2025, a portion of which has a dedicated space for a home office. This is in relation to the various tax implications and benefits of STR and the new OBBBill. While I have self prepared taxes via Turbo Tax for years and studied IRS pubs to a certain degree for LTR, I decided to reach out to a CPA this year for another set of eyes and better expertise with these potential implications/events occurring in 2025. I believe both CPAs are quite competent, smart and seasoned/experienced. I respect them both. But am a bit confounded about the varying advice, including to my own reading.

    1. 1.) STR: The 7 day rule and “100 hours of material participation”
    1. The 100 hour rule: You participate for more than 100 hours, and no other individual (including cleaners or property managers) spends more time on the activity than you.

    The STR closed mid December 2025. Pro-rating the 100 hours for the year, would yield 21 hours, easily met. As a result of the above, my understanding is this allows it to be considered a "non-passive business" or active income without needing to be classified as a real estate professional. We plan to self manage in 2026 also and so this would not change.

    The Accountant I am working with agrees that this “is the correct technical reading of Section 469 of the Code“, however in past client audits with the IRS, the IRS sought to verify a 500 hour participation standard. I would not meet that. This would tip it from a Schedule C (active) to Schedule E (passive).

    NOTE: There are enough profits from other LTR, that the anticipated near term losses from the STR could offset some of these and not go so far as to offset W2 income. I also considered 100% bonus deprecation from cost seg, but the purchase price was not terribly high and this would also simply be taking from future depreciation, so I would likely not do it for this one. So, in this sense, no harm, no foul if no other implications and they all fall to an E. This would group the STR with the LTR all on a Schedule E (passive income), with no Schedule C (active income or business).

    1. 2.) Home office Deduction: My reading is that it must be an “active trade or business” activity. Which for rental properties may not qualify with a property manager. It may also qualify though for rental properties if actively managed with decisions made about the management of the property and if 250 hours of material participation from ‘property management’ activities are met. Which I would meet through self management and active decisions with LTR, leading to the feasibility of the office deduction.

    The Accountant indicated that unfortunately this is not possible since there would not be a Schedule C or certain K-1s, which is needed for the home office deduction. I have searched online and on this BP forum a decent amount. What I finally came to was, though it was a bit vague and non-determinate, was that an Office deduction could indeed be taken if a Schedule E only, it just needed to be entered as “other expense” manually or something similar to this effect. I do spend a decent amount of time on these activities, and with a new construction in 2025 (~$75,000 attributable to dedicated office space), there could be a sizeable full 100% expense and offset all of a sudden. I’ve also played with Turbo Tax a bit and it too seems to direct you to first enter Schedule C type of self employment business income/activity before allowing you to enter a home office deduction.

    If the implication of #1 only was to have it all on a Schedule E, I don’t see a substantive impact or concern. However, the inability for #2, I do see a substantive impact for 2025. Are there any other implications of having ALL these activities on a Schedule E only versus a Schedule E and C?

    I noted the advice of one Accountant above, who is very experienced, knowledgeable, and whom I respect. The other is also from a reputable firm (albeit a shorter consultation), however their advice was that it could all be taken (and more).

    Are these just different risk profiles that Accountants take with their interpretations of the same language? And what are the answers to #1 and #2? I’m left a bit confused by the varying advice.


    So, you paid two CPAs for consultations, and now you want a 3rd consultation from us, and for free?  :)

    To your #1. Your pro-ration calculation from 100 hrs to 21 hrs does not math for me. But more importantly, there is NO proration. You need 100 hours during 2025.

    To your #2. Yes, you could claim HO on Sch E if you pass all qualifications. TurboTax will not do it however, it is a manual entry. More importantly, HO deduction cannot increase or create a loss for the current year. It can only offset your net positive income. 

    But there is a lot of details to all this, and you need to either settle on one of the two CPAs you already connected with or find a third one.

    • Rental Property Investor · Henrico, VA · Member since 2019 · 265 posts · 155 votes
      7mo
      Quote from @Michael Plaks:
      Quote from @Alex Forest:

      I have a couple questions I'd like to run by this group. I self manage more than a handful (except one) of several long term rentals (LTR) and just acquired a STR in December of 2025 (first of this type) that we will be self managing also. We also built an addition onto our primary home in 2025, a portion of which has a dedicated space for a home office. This is in relation to the various tax implications and benefits of STR and the new OBBBill. While I have self prepared taxes via Turbo Tax for years and studied IRS pubs to a certain degree for LTR, I decided to reach out to a CPA this year for another set of eyes and better expertise with these potential implications/events occurring in 2025. I believe both CPAs are quite competent, smart and seasoned/experienced. I respect them both. But am a bit confounded about the varying advice, including to my own reading.

      1. 1.) STR: The 7 day rule and “100 hours of material participation”
      1. The 100 hour rule: You participate for more than 100 hours, and no other individual (including cleaners or property managers) spends more time on the activity than you.

      The STR closed mid December 2025. Pro-rating the 100 hours for the year, would yield 21 hours, easily met. As a result of the above, my understanding is this allows it to be considered a "non-passive business" or active income without needing to be classified as a real estate professional. We plan to self manage in 2026 also and so this would not change.

      The Accountant I am working with agrees that this “is the correct technical reading of Section 469 of the Code“, however in past client audits with the IRS, the IRS sought to verify a 500 hour participation standard. I would not meet that. This would tip it from a Schedule C (active) to Schedule E (passive).

      NOTE: There are enough profits from other LTR, that the anticipated near term losses from the STR could offset some of these and not go so far as to offset W2 income. I also considered 100% bonus deprecation from cost seg, but the purchase price was not terribly high and this would also simply be taking from future depreciation, so I would likely not do it for this one. So, in this sense, no harm, no foul if no other implications and they all fall to an E. This would group the STR with the LTR all on a Schedule E (passive income), with no Schedule C (active income or business).

      1. 2.) Home office Deduction: My reading is that it must be an “active trade or business” activity. Which for rental properties may not qualify with a property manager. It may also qualify though for rental properties if actively managed with decisions made about the management of the property and if 250 hours of material participation from ‘property management’ activities are met. Which I would meet through self management and active decisions with LTR, leading to the feasibility of the office deduction.

      The Accountant indicated that unfortunately this is not possible since there would not be a Schedule C or certain K-1s, which is needed for the home office deduction. I have searched online and on this BP forum a decent amount. What I finally came to was, though it was a bit vague and non-determinate, was that an Office deduction could indeed be taken if a Schedule E only, it just needed to be entered as “other expense” manually or something similar to this effect. I do spend a decent amount of time on these activities, and with a new construction in 2025 (~$75,000 attributable to dedicated office space), there could be a sizeable full 100% expense and offset all of a sudden. I’ve also played with Turbo Tax a bit and it too seems to direct you to first enter Schedule C type of self employment business income/activity before allowing you to enter a home office deduction.

      If the implication of #1 only was to have it all on a Schedule E, I don’t see a substantive impact or concern. However, the inability for #2, I do see a substantive impact for 2025. Are there any other implications of having ALL these activities on a Schedule E only versus a Schedule E and C?

      I noted the advice of one Accountant above, who is very experienced, knowledgeable, and whom I respect. The other is also from a reputable firm (albeit a shorter consultation), however their advice was that it could all be taken (and more).

      Are these just different risk profiles that Accountants take with their interpretations of the same language? And what are the answers to #1 and #2? I’m left a bit confused by the varying advice.


      So, you paid two CPAs for consultations, and now you want a 3rd consultation from us, and for free?  :)

      To your #1. Your pro-ration calculation from 100 hrs to 21 hrs does not math for me. But more importantly, there is NO proration. You need 100 hours during 2025.

      To your #2. Yes, you could claim HO on Sch E if you pass all qualifications. TurboTax will not do it however, it is a manual entry. More importantly, HO deduction cannot increase or create a loss for the current year. It can only offset your net positive income. 

      But there is a lot of details to all this, and you need to either settle on one of the two CPAs you already connected with or find a third one.

       Thanks Michael. One was the initial meeting/consultation, that was free. The second, yes indeed, am working with him on an hourly basis now.  I was surprised at the varying approaches & interpretations to the same IRS regulatory language and publications which each knows about. Perhaps, there is also a spectrum of risk appetite that comes into play when it comes to application.

      To the #1, I didn't realize there was no pro-rating. It closed and went right into service mid December. And you're right, the 21hr, now that I back calculate that out gets to that 500 hour standard that was being referenced again (instead of 100). I can't believe I didn't see that before being a math guy. I wonder if the pro-rating that he mentioned is permissible for the 500 hr standard, but not the 100hr.  

      To #2, Ok thanks. That's what I had read before too after looking through these forums, and good to know about manual entry. 

      To your last point, yes I agree. Working with other tax professionals is a bit new for me, so maybe I'm still feeling the process out and will eventually let go of this aspect more. 

  • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
    Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7mo

    For #1, there's many hoops you have to jump through to maximize the STR strategy.

    (1) rent the property out for 7 days or less with a MINIMUM of two stays

    (2) materially participate - there's 3 main tests people qualify under. I'd recommend you review the substantially all test. 

    (3).don't have a property manager basically

    (4) don't use too much for personal use - lot of nuances here. 


    Based on what you described for the material participation of 100 hours and more than anyone else's time, you don't appear to qualify for that test. 

    • Rental Property Investor · Henrico, VA · Member since 2019 · 265 posts · 155 votes
      7mo
      Quote from @Aaron Zimmerman:

      Based on what you described for the material participation of 100 hours and more than anyone else's time, you don't appear to qualify for that test. 


       Is that because it was mid-December and you're identifying 100 hrs would be needed for all of 2025, instead or pro-rating to Dec?  I didn't detail the time log in this post, but have that from November and December. And it would meet other criteria that I have read about. It is mostly 2-3 day stays, with <7 day average stays, etc.

    • Aaron ZimmermanBusiness Member
      Accountant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      7mo

      @Alex Forest you may be able to qualify under the substantially all test but you'd need to be able to prove that out to your cpa. To do this, you would also need to track out every other single individuals time spent on the STR.

  • Michael PlaksPro Member
    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    7mo

    @Alex Forest

    I still feel that you are expecting simple rules that are easy to figure out. Not the case in taxation, unfortunately for all. Even for people like me who make a living from it. I'd rather have things simple and clear.

    STRs are a prime example of - here's the rule, but you also need to meet this and that conditions, all while keeping in mind this and that potential complications. And, some of the above can be interpreted in multiple ways because it has never been clearly formulated. And so on. It's crazy, it's frustrating, it's expensive, it's taxes. Welcome aboard.

    There is no pro-ration of anything. 500 hrs, 100 hrs, anything. It's all or nothing. But, as @Aaron Zimmerman mentioned, there're multiple ways to meet (or fail) the mandatory material participation test. 

    You seem to be leaning towards staying in the net positive income zone and not chasing cost segregation. Whether or not this is the best course is debatable. But, if you're net positive, you don't even need to pass material participation.

    All of the above, plus a lot more, is for your CPA to guide you through. And yes, we tax professionals do differ in how much we know, how we interpret certain controversial rules, and how aggressive we're willing to be, among other differences.

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