Looking for private lender on Duplex deal in Michigan

Looking for private lender on Duplex deal in Michigan

Real Estate Professional · Novi, MI · Member since 2012 · 73 posts · 8 votes

I have a duplex that I'm looking to purchase for buy and hold and I'm considering a conventional loan vs private money.  Are there any private lenders that finance residential deals in Michigan?  I'd be interested in discussing it with you.  

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Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2012 · 158 posts · 49 votes
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Private money and rentals are tough to match. Look ar it from PML's perspective...she can get 7-8% and have all of the risk or buy her own investment property and net 9-14% plus appreciation.

Maybe post answers to these questions so those with cash can evaluate what you have: How much are you putting down,  what are you paying, what is expected rent, what is market value, what rate/share are you offering? Best of luck.

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  • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2012 · 158 posts · 49 votes
    11y

    Private money and rentals are tough to match. Look ar it from PML's perspective...she can get 7-8% and have all of the risk or buy her own investment property and net 9-14% plus appreciation.

    Maybe post answers to these questions so those with cash can evaluate what you have: How much are you putting down,  what are you paying, what is expected rent, what is market value, what rate/share are you offering? Best of luck.

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    11y

    I would use a HML to purchase and rehab property. Once complete and a tenant is placed, contact me. We'll give you cash out up to 75% of fair market value after you own the property for 90 days.

    We are a asset based lender, which means we evaluate the cash flow of the property, loan to value and fico score. No personal debts counted against you - No tax returns required - bank rates/terms. Minimum loan size $75,000

  • Real Estate Professional · Novi, MI · Member since 2012 · 73 posts · 8 votes
    11y

    @Paul Jamgotch To answer your questions

    Duplex property each unit is a 3bed/1.5bath which is rare

    Total purchase price would be $100,000 with closing costs

    Rehab Costs: $5,000 (property is tenanted an already updated to some extent)

    Current Rents: $800/unit

    Desired Rent: 900-100/unit (market for area is 900-1050

    Tenants currently pay for water, gas, electric and are responsible for yard and snow removal.   

    I'd like to have an investor partner or lend for 25% and I'd use that funding to obtain a conventional mortgage for the remainder.  The investor would have 25% equity and still get paid interest on his loan until I could refinance and cash them out.  Ideally 2-3 years.  

  • Real Estate Professional · Novi, MI · Member since 2012 · 73 posts · 8 votes
    11y

    @Bob Green The property really doesn't need a lot of rehab its in very good condition. It would only need a refresher new paint and carpet and a good cleaning. The property has tenants in place that take decent care of everything. My concern with using a HML is that the points and interest will destroy the cash flow.

    Using 100% financing with 80K financed at 5% over 30 years (conservative estimate) and 25K financed at 7% interest only for 3 years.  It works out to cash flow $200/month using conservative numbers for property management, repairs, maintenance, and cap ex monthly.  With the desired rents mentioned above it will cash flow well over $600 per month.   I don't think with hard money it will still be as good right way, but I have analyzed that option.  I'll run those numbers and see what I come up with.  Good idea

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    11y

    A conventional lender won't fund a loan where you've borrowed the down payment.

    Few, if any, hard money lenders will lend in second position.  I doubt any would lend the slice from 75% to 100%.  Certainly not at 7%.

    What you might look for is a partner.  Someone to invest the 25% as an equity investor.  Problem there is that someone who contributes 100% of the cash (the 25% down payment) expects something very close to 100% of the equity (i.e., ownership.) Not 25% because they're putting in 100% of the cash.  You getting the loan for the first 75% puts you are far, far, far less risk than the guy who puts in the last 25%.

    A path that might work is to get a hard money loan for $110K. That assumes you have a HML who's 1) willing to lend based on ARV and 2) doesn't have a minimum down payment requirement. And that the ARV of your property is somewhere north of $150K. I'm skeptical about that last part, since you're paying $100K and it needs minimal fixup.

    The interest will kill you.  Plan on 15% +/- and four+/- points right off the top.  So you're likely to be cash flow negative until you can refi into a better loan.  That refi is also going to need a higher value if you want to pull it off without putting cash in.

  • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2012 · 158 posts · 49 votes
    11y

    I know a PML and a GC who are teaming up to buy, rehab, and rent multiple properties. They are forming an LLC together, I believe the PML will post purchase and rehab funds & will receive an 8% pref. rate. The GC manages the properties. They 50/50 split any profits left. I do not know the ownership percentage but can't imagine the PML is handing 50% of equity from the start. I would guess 75/25 unless GC is throwing money in this as well; he's definitely adding value by managing and rehabbing at a good rate. Time will tell how this works out for them. My guess is that as long as rents and market are stable/improving they will be happy.

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