Negative grade on driveway making a lake. Suggestions needed

Negative grade on driveway making a lake. Suggestions needed

Investor · Mancelona, MI · Member since 2019 · 43 posts · 24 votes

    I have 2 rentals (both houses) with driveways that have a negative grade.   Since I am in Michigan, we get a lot of snow.   So come spring, it makes a lake at the lowest point of the driveway.    One just floods, but at least it's concrete so it's workable till it dries.   The other is gravel and turns into a swampland making it a serious pain pulling in.  

The concrete one, I would just like to have it drain so it doesn't look so bad.   It's like 3 inches of water.  Plus, it's probably extending the life of my driveway.    Luckily, the low spot is next to the yard so digging isn't a big deal.   Problem is this town has no rain drainage so I'd end up getting ALL of the rain water from the road as well, most likely overloading some simple trench drain.  

The other that's dirt needs a serious fix.    Also, it has no nearby place to drain the water to.  I'm starting to think my only answer is to put in a concrete driveway higher than the water line gets.  It would be expensive though.  Adding gravel just wouldn't cut it I think.   It would just be underwater gravel.   Stupid town and the lack of rain drainage.  

Any idea welcome.  I'm kind of at a loss here. 

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Malcomb StapelPro Member
Investor · Topeka, KS · Member since 2020 · 669 posts · 488 votes
4y

@Chad Clark  don't blame the town for the properties you purchased. That's on you. However, the gravel one may be the easiest to deal with as you won't need to cut concrete to install your drain. Have you had a local excavator come out and walk the properties with you? Some of those guys deal with that stuff all of the time and could probably offer you some ideas for remediation. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2019 · 161 posts · 176 votes
    4y

    @Chad Clark you could maybe do a French drain into a sump if you think the drain would get overloaded. I had a sump installed in a spot that floods with heavy rains and it was relatively inexpensive

  • Alex KhanPro Member
    Specialist · Southeast Michigan · Member since 2015 · 300 posts · 244 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Bryan Balducki:

    @Chad Clark you could maybe do a French drain into a sump if you think the drain would get overloaded. I had a sump installed in a spot that floods with heavy rains and it was relatively inexpensive

    Like Bryan said. A French drain to a sump pump or to a deep gravel pit 40 to 50ft+ From the problem should take care of it. 

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    4y

    I would either try a French drain to pull the water to a lower collection point or I would raise the driveway.

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  • Malcomb StapelPro Member
    Investor · Topeka, KS · Member since 2020 · 669 posts · 488 votes
    4y

    @Chad Clark  don't blame the town for the properties you purchased. That's on you. However, the gravel one may be the easiest to deal with as you won't need to cut concrete to install your drain. Have you had a local excavator come out and walk the properties with you? Some of those guys deal with that stuff all of the time and could probably offer you some ideas for remediation. 

  • Investor · Mancelona, MI · Member since 2019 · 43 posts · 24 votes
    4y

    exactly what I'm going to end up doing.   I have a contractor now for another property so I'm going to bring them by this one as well. 

  • Member since 2021 · 388 posts · 277 votes
    4y

    dig a trench and install channel and trench drain systems. the water will need to have a lower point to drain to and away from the property. 

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    4y

    While a french drain is usually a good idea, it may not work in this case due to the road drainagge overwhelming it.

    Of course, you could just add a bigger retention pit, but that can get costly fast. 

    You could also dig your own ditch across the front of your properties if the city will allow.

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    4y

    For the gravel driveway, bring in more gravel and have it slope towards the main road.  Water will take the path of least resistance.  You can get gravel that is crushed and has a mix of small crushed stones and powder.  The powder fills in a lot of the cracks and over time it compacts down like concrete.

    With the concrete one, talk to a company and see if you can get a curb built to help keep the water from the road on the road.  Then add some dirt to the yard close to the road and build up that part of the yard just a little bit (a few inches only).

  • WorldWide · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y
    pictures would help a lot here. that water has to go somewhere (else). i had to add some trench drains with basins that route the water away from one of my buildings before. french drain was not an option due to the type of soil (clay) that would not allow for proper water dispersion. with the right equipment and people that know what they're doing, this is a day's job, tops (depending on how far you need to trench it).
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