How to handle a tenant who is using their security deposit as a last month's rent

How to handle a tenant who is using their security deposit as a last month's rent

Rental Property Investor · Bushwick, Brooklyn · Member since 2020 · 55 posts · 16 votes

Hi all, we have two tenants (I'll call them Jane and Alice ) on a 1-year lease which began in December.

They did several things to violate our lease agreement which included 1) bringing in a 3rd tenant without telling me (let's call him Rick); and 2) Rick dumped garbage bags on another house we own (an Airbnb on the same property).

I wrote them 1.5 weeks ago saying this won't work out, and offered to terminate the agreement and waive any early termination penalties. They agreed to look for another place and we'd settle on a move-out date once they found a new place. At this time they asked that I pay them their security deposit on the date of any final inspection, to which I agreed.

With the rent due on April 1 and not having received payment, I wrote them today. They mentioned they found a place for a May 1 move-in and said they'd not pay April's rent, using their security deposit. They also agreed to let me show the place to new tenants with a 48-hour notice.

When I replied telling them they were in violation of the lease agreement and they'd accrue daily late fees they stood adamant in not paying rent. Moreover, they rescinded their offer to let me show the place.

I'm wondering what my next best moves are. I'm writing my attorney right now, but do I have any additional actions?

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Rental Property Investor · Russellville, AR · Member since 2014 · 688 posts · 509 votes
3y

Don't allow the security deposit to take the place of rent.  For starters, I'm pretty sure it cant legally.  If they aren't paying rent, just proceed like you would any other month they wouldn't pay.  You might remind them that an eviction will be on their record and show up in future rental application screenings...

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  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    3y

    They have the right not to show the house; you can show it with 24 hours' notice.  If I was you, I'd rather be the one doing the showings than the tenants.  It gives you a better idea of the prospective tenant.

    For the deposit, tell them that it can not be used for rent and send them the relevant part of the state laws which state that.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    3y

    Follow the lease agreement, issue pay or quit notice, let them know that you will have to file an eviction (on their record), and have the security deposit function as a security deposit at move out.  Can discuss this with them pleasantly but also follow the contract.  Once a resident in a resident-friendly state stops paying rent, they have little incentive to start it again and you have no certainty that they will move out.

  • Rental Property Investor · Russellville, AR · Member since 2014 · 688 posts · 509 votes
    3y

    Don't allow the security deposit to take the place of rent.  For starters, I'm pretty sure it cant legally.  If they aren't paying rent, just proceed like you would any other month they wouldn't pay.  You might remind them that an eviction will be on their record and show up in future rental application screenings...

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Scott K.:

    You were too nice.

    1. I would have given them a specific move-date and written instructions on what that process looks like, including the need for them to pay rent and that their deposit would be returned according to the lease/law.

    2. If they fail to stick to the agreement, all termination penalties and other remedies would be back in play.

    3. April 1 they fail to pay rent, so I would start the eviction process and notify them that they've violated our agreement and termination fees are back in play.

    If you aren't proactive and clear, you have to be reactive.

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  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2021 · 9k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    You can't show the property if they are not cooperating, it does not matter wether they are in violation or not. Handle this the cleanest way possible, let them leave. Flexing your landlord muscles won't work here. 

  • Real Estate Agent · NY · Member since 2022 · 111 posts · 48 votes
    3y

    i would follow the lease to the t so that if there are any issues down the road with them you are able to show that you followed the lease as you both agreed to it 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    a) Start eviction proceedings immediately b) Do not allow them to use the SD as a rent payment. Keep that money (as you should legally) to do repairs and clean-up when they leave. I suspect you'll need it. c) Tighten up your screening process.

  • Mackaylee BeachPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 494 votes
    3y

    I would not apply security deposit towards rent. I would wait to complete the move out inspection - and use deposit for any tenant caused damages. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Bushwick, Brooklyn · Member since 2020 · 55 posts · 16 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Mackaylee Beach:

    I would not apply security deposit towards rent. I would wait to complete the move out inspection - and use deposit for any tenant caused damages. 


     I didn't have a choice in the matter. They refused to pay rent. I plan to sue them in small claims court after they move out on the 30th.

    The lease has a late payment clause ($50 for each late day) so I'll minimally ask the court for that amount. I do wonder if them using the security deposit can command additional monies besides that.

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Scott K.:
    Quote from @Mackaylee Beach:

    I would not apply security deposit towards rent. I would wait to complete the move out inspection - and use deposit for any tenant caused damages. 


     I didn't have a choice in the matter. They refused to pay rent. I plan to sue them in small claims court after they move out on the 30th.

    The lease has a late payment clause ($50 for each late day) so I'll minimally ask the court for that amount. I do wonder if them using the security deposit can command additional monies besides that.


     Take them to small claims court only if there are damages. If they move out on time (ie April 30) and leave the place in good condition, it isn't worth your time to go to court over the late fee.  The deposit will cover the April rent.

  • Rental Property Investor · Bushwick, Brooklyn · Member since 2020 · 55 posts · 16 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Theresa Harris:
    Quote from @Scott K.:
    Quote from @Mackaylee Beach:

    I would not apply security deposit towards rent. I would wait to complete the move out inspection - and use deposit for any tenant caused damages. 


     I didn't have a choice in the matter. They refused to pay rent. I plan to sue them in small claims court after they move out on the 30th.

    The lease has a late payment clause ($50 for each late day) so I'll minimally ask the court for that amount. I do wonder if them using the security deposit can command additional monies besides that.


     Take them to small claims court only if there are damages. If they move out on time (ie April 30) and leave the place in good condition, it isn't worth your time to go to court over the late fee.  The deposit will cover the April rent.




    Wouldn't I be able to recover $50 x 25 = $1,250 in late fees? I'd go to court for that.
  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Scott K.:
    Quote from @Theresa Harris:
    Quote from @Scott K.:
    Quote from @Mackaylee Beach:

    I would not apply security deposit towards rent. I would wait to complete the move out inspection - and use deposit for any tenant caused damages. 


     I didn't have a choice in the matter. They refused to pay rent. I plan to sue them in small claims court after they move out on the 30th.

    The lease has a late payment clause ($50 for each late day) so I'll minimally ask the court for that amount. I do wonder if them using the security deposit can command additional monies besides that.


     Take them to small claims court only if there are damages. If they move out on time (ie April 30) and leave the place in good condition, it isn't worth your time to go to court over the late fee.  The deposit will cover the April rent.




    Wouldn't I be able to recover $50 x 25 = $1,250 in late fees? I'd go to court for that.

     It depends if the court thinks that is reasonable.  I've had problem tenants twice that resulted in damage, where I am you are unlikely to ever get the money even if you are awarded it. I opted to move forward, clean the place up and get it rented (rents had gone up and I live in an area where there are limits on rent increases).  So in the end, I lost the money from the rent and repairs, but after 1 year, I was further ahead because of the rent increases ($400 a month).

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    Your situation is the #1 reason why you never collect a security deposit equal to one months rent. Unless prohibited by law, go for 1.5X monthly rent so if they do this, you've got money to take for the late fees.

  • Rental Property Investor · Bushwick, Brooklyn · Member since 2020 · 55 posts · 16 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Theresa Harris:

    They have the right not to show the house; you can show it with 24 hours' notice.  If I was you, I'd rather be the one doing the showings than the tenants.  It gives you a better idea of the prospective tenant.

    For the deposit, tell them that it can not be used for rent and send them the relevant part of the state laws which state that.


    I did this, but my note was ignored and they chose to not pay rent on April 1. I do think they'll leave without damaging the property, but I can't imagine that the law would let something like this go unpunished. How else would these things get enforceable outside of recovering damages?

  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Scott Krause let them pay it and leave. It could be a lot worse.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Scott K.:
    Quote from @Theresa Harris:

    They have the right not to show the house; you can show it with 24 hours' notice.  If I was you, I'd rather be the one doing the showings than the tenants.  It gives you a better idea of the prospective tenant.

    For the deposit, tell them that it can not be used for rent and send them the relevant part of the state laws which state that.


    I did this, but my note was ignored and they chose to not pay rent on April 1. I do think they'll leave without damaging the property, but I can't imagine that the law would let something like this go unpunished. How else would these things get enforceable outside of recovering damages?


     Sue them in Small Claims Court and get a judgement. Have it recorded. It will follow them for long time.

  • Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Scott K. If your rental is New York you can only collect a total late fee of $50 or 5% of total rent whatever is smaller. You might want to read the landlord tenant rules so you don't get in trouble if you take them to court. Judge might award the tenants triple damages for you  violating the tenants rights.

  • Contractor · Missouri and Az · Member since 2023 · 27 posts · 22 votes
    3y

    As a General Contractor my liability insurer would drop me like a hot potato if they found out I let subs smoke pot or drink on the job. I’m sure it happens but if I see it the sub is off the job permanently.  Not to mention it’s never a good look for a client to walk the job and see beer bottles scattered around. 
       If my subs want a drink then they need to drive off my jobsite, the liability is too much for me to risk. But, if you didn’t catch them drinking then you have no way to prove it, I would give the contractor a time frame to cure the issues or you’ll hire someone else and deduct the cost from their amount owed. 
      

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