Bookkeeping with Buildium

Bookkeeping with Buildium

Madison, WI · Member since 2014 · 62 posts · 10 votes

Looking for what others are doing here. I'm having a really tough time doing my accounting a way that isn't totally confusing and sucks up half a day at the end of the month. I use Buildium and LOVE it for the property management features, but am having trouble with the accounting.

1) When doing renovations/upgrades, like a kitchen remodel, I understand this is a  Capital Improvement and should be balanced against an an Asset account. Things like repairing a broken light fixture is a Repair, under the Expenses tree. Now the problem with this is when you run a P&L statement (or when Buildium calculates the amount of cash a property has to distribute to owners), it does not consider these Capital Improvements because they are assets, not expenses. This is a problem because the money WAS spent. It went out of the checking account so this calculation then on what is left is incorrect. How do folks work around this? Are you to run a P&L, then general ledger all the Capital Improvements for the same time period and manually add those to the expenses? 

2) Buildium is clearly designed to be used by a PM company, assuming the mortgages and financial assets of the owner is completely separate. If I were to do this, and a kitchen remodel was done like I mentioned and categorized as a Capital/Building Improvement I don't see how that transaction would be entered because the financials for the property are totally separate from the PM. Does that mean the owner would take care of the expenses for the capital improvements so it can go on their books instead? If a PM company did a kitchen remodel for an owner I don't see how the accounting could work.

I'm starting to ramble, sorry. Bottom line is I like to do my own accounting and I like to use Buildium, but I'm finding it hard to use it for both and even more difficult to have separate systems for both. How do you all do it?

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Mount Carmel, IL · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 4 votes
10y

This is a great topic. I think it's often helpful to use Buildium for property management and tracking tenants, but to use either Quickbooks or Xero for tracking the flow of financials and financial reporting.

This article is really well done and helpful and recommends using an actual accounting system: https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2016/02/1...

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  • Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2014 · 73 posts · 22 votes
    10y
    Great question! I have been wondering the same things. I'm excited to hear some responses to this!
  • Investor · Cathedral City, CA · Member since 2014 · 481 posts · 170 votes
    10y

    These are asset accounts and really a accounting step for year end only.

  • Madison, WI · Member since 2014 · 62 posts · 10 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jeff Gates:

    These are asset accounts and really a accounting step for year end only.

     I see, so you are saying that you categorize them as expenses, keep track of them in a separate spreadsheet and just let your accountant deal with it at tax time? Or are you saying you recategorize at year end?

  • Investor · East Granby, CT · Member since 2016 · 41 posts · 8 votes
    10y
    I do what you just mentioned, which is track everything in a spreadsheet and then submit at year-end to my accountant and she sorts it all out and categorizes all of my income, expenses, and anything else. Gives me peace of mind that someone who actually is an accountant is making decisions on how to categorize and apply everything. I tried it once and was nervous that I'm not doing it right. Last thing I need is to get in trouble on my financials and taxes.
  • Madison, WI · Member since 2014 · 62 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    I need to have accurate books on my side or it would drive me nuts... I guess the most logical thing is to classify them all as expenses until I get my taxes back and then move them to the appropriate Asset accounts and accumulated amortization at year end.

  • Investor · East Granby, CT · Member since 2016 · 41 posts · 8 votes
    10y
    Perhaps a quick half an hour meeting with the accountant would get your questions answered and they probably wouldn't barge you much. And you'll have everything lines up properly every month.
  • Property Manager · Cambridge, MA · Member since 2016 · 20 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    @Matt Kowske these are some great questions. Here is a quick response to each of your questions, I'd definitely recommend reaching out to our support team for a more detailed response or a walk through.

    1) That is correct that it shouldn't hit a P&L because that transaction is adding value to your property so it will show as an asset instead of an expense. You can run a cash flow statement or a rental owner statement to see how those funds have the left the property and decreased the cash balance.

    2) These types of transactions can be entered with a journal entry hitting owner contribution if an owner paid for these repairs outside of Buildium.

  • Madison, WI · Member since 2014 · 62 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    @Jose Ramos for #1)... I understand how to read financial statements and it is more than just the P&L, however doesn't Buildium exclude these capital expenditures when calculating owner distributions? If you do enough capital improvements won't you end up distributing cash to owners that doesn't exist (has been spent on improvements) ? I'm talking about the "Available" calculation on the property summary screen. In fact, I can't figure out how this number is calculated.

  • Mount Carmel, IL · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    This is a great topic. I think it's often helpful to use Buildium for property management and tracking tenants, but to use either Quickbooks or Xero for tracking the flow of financials and financial reporting.

    This article is really well done and helpful and recommends using an actual accounting system: https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2016/02/1...

  • Vendor · Bellingham, WA · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 18 votes
    10y

    Hi @Matt Kowske, I'm a Controller for a PM company, currently researching the state of the art, all the major platforms (Buildium, Appfolio, etc.).

    You have a great point about CapEx and Owner Statements. Conventional PM presumes the non-cash Assets and Liabilities are managed by clients, not PMs. Even mortgage payments are treated as "expenses" because the PMs don't track the mortgages.

    Question for you:  if you're managing your own stuff, and ARE tracking non-cash Assets and all Liabilities, why do Owner Statements matter to you?  Do you have other parties/partners you need to pay?  Why not just work off your own financial statements?

    Essentially what Owner Statements do is distribute net income, and one way to check to make sure it's working right is to examine the Equity section on your Balance Sheet, comparing total net income & retained earnings with net Distributions.  You can do that without having to run Owner Statements.

    Does this help?

    At your service,

    Kris Freeberg

  • Broken Arrow, OK · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Buildium is an epic absolute F*$#&^ DISASTER!!!  You will have to hire someone to run it.  Might as well just hire someone to run everything.  

    There is nothing they cant screw up.  I have been a customer with 45 properties for a year and there is NOTHING and mean absolutely NONTHING in the entire business that is more flustering than Buildium.  Paper and an adding machine is better than this

    WORST Decision I have EVER made...

  • Investor · Dayton OH/Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2017 · 30 posts · 11 votes
    7y

    Can you share some details?  At least a few cases what was wrong with their support.

  • Madison, WI · Member since 2014 · 62 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    As an update to my use of Buildium -- I have moved all owner accounting to a separate accounting software (Gnucash) and operate Buildium as intended, from a PM perspective. 

    This has been working really well and am happy with it.

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