Demanding tenants want a lot of improvements

Demanding tenants want a lot of improvements

Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 19 posts · 12 votes

We have a large house with a lake view that is currently rented to a retired couple while they build a house (cough, McMansion) on their own property just below the rental, directly on the waterfront.  While they more than fit my main two criteria for tenants, namely pay the rent on time and no concerns about damaging the property, they are becoming increasingly demanding about improvements to the house and yard.  Almost daily we get texts or emails about them wanting us to remove certain trees, or repaint the fence, or other things.  Soon after they moved in we made the mistake of trying to be "good landlords" and accommodated some of their requests, including a new bathroom fan.  Because the house is older with older wiring, the bathroom fan ended up costing us $8000 because we had to rewire the entire upstairs of the house.  We had already committed to replacing a partially fogged double pane window, adding carpeting in the den, and a few other things.  I have now sent two carefully and succinctly worded emails reminding them that, as stated in the lease, we will mow the lawn but any other maintenance or improvements are up to them if they want them done, and we request that they consult us for any major changes (like if they want to take out a tree).  I am struggling with the balance between sticking to just the letter of the law/lease, and trying to be a nice landlord who will take care of things just because they ask.  I feel like it's getting out of hand, and I wish I had just said "no" to everything from the beginning.  I realize that most tenants are of the opposite variety, not really taking care of things.  What do you do when they are trying to get you to do too much? 

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Natalie KolodijBusiness Member
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9y

I would just tell them that they are welcome to ensure all of those features are present in their home being built but they are RENTING this one. 

They agreed to it's condition when they signed that lease. 

When does their lease end?

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  • Natalie KolodijBusiness Member
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    9y

    I would just tell them that they are welcome to ensure all of those features are present in their home being built but they are RENTING this one. 

    They agreed to it's condition when they signed that lease. 

    When does their lease end?

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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    9y

    Once you rent the house your responsibility is maintenance and repair of items that are not reasonably the responsibility of the tenant. Beyond that, everything else (cosmetics, aesthetics, etc) are as they are. So I would have rejected the bathroom fan request unless the current one was broken and you indicated they would receive a bathroom with a working fan (which you would want, for mold purposes). As for crazy talk like "taking out a tree", no, sorry, that's part of the house and unless you were planning on taking a tree out anyway that's a non-starter.

    Tenants aren't "customers" in the "customer is always right" sense. For my tenants, I provide X service, which they can avail themselves of, or not. I don't deal with cosmetics or other nonsense requests unless they were already in the works - for example, I cut down a tree near one of our units earlier this year, which pleased the tenant, but it was already slated to be cut down. 

    You have to train your tenants. It's *your* house. They are paying to use it, as "was", meaning when you rented it to them plus any repairs or upgrades you promised in the lease. That's it. 

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  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    9y

    Never too late to say no. It does however become more difficult.

    Yes you made the age old major mistake in the beginning as every new landlord does of fall into the trap of trying to please their tenants and be the "good' landlord. Unfortunately when it comes to tenants once you start down that path nothing will ever be good enough. Tenants are users and feel entitled once you say yes the first time. NO is part of the proper tenant training process.

    From this point forward tell them no to everything and make sure they CLEARLY understand they are not to change, add or remove anything with out your explicate permission. This is important as they will take extreme liberties with your property. Remember no is still always going to be your only response.

  • Investor · Prairieville, LA · Member since 2015 · 311 posts · 424 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Natalie Kolodij:

    I would just tell them that they are welcome to ensure all of those features are present in their home being built but they are RENTING this one. 

    They agreed to it's condition when they signed that lease. 

    When does their lease end?

    Yes, they signed lease after seeing the place.  Therefore, unnecessary requests will be denied.  I found that I must be firm when I come across this type of situation.  I also reiterate that I like to keep rents low, but if I improve the place more than it needs to be, the rent must come up.  Also, in my opinion, texting and calling everyday over stupid things is totally unacceptable. Again, I have had to be very firm when I come across this.

    You could also propose a compromise. If you want x, then rent will increase by $XX.XX.  If you want y, then rent will increase by $YY.YY.  If they want to pay to have a better place, then they need to pay up.  I seriously doubt they would pay more. 

    Another way to handle this would be to tell them, " I see that you are unhappy renting my house and I am unhappy with the daily calls/texts/emails, so when would you like to move?  We can mutually agree to terminate the lease."

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    9y

    When you charge market rent you don't have to play silly bug*er with tenants. No means no.

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