Urgent, Help, Potential Tenant with Pitball

Urgent, Help, Potential Tenant with Pitball

San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 40 posts · 11 votes

Please help me look at my situation: My PM threats me that the potential tenants will sue my insurance company and me for not taking them because they have a pitbull. Seriously, my Property Manager threated me that If we don't take this potential tenants, the tenant will sue. My PM is siding with the tenants? They said that the Fair Housing Act prevents people from discriminating the tenants with dogs. I am in California, is it true? 

Can I fire the my PM right away? I feel they are forcing me to take the tenants and they said they had to do it because it is fair to the tenants. They have to be fair.

Before we made the decision not to take this tenant with Pitbull, I read through all the posting in biggerpocket, majority of the landlords will not take the pitbull because of the liability issue. My insurance company sent me a special message and warned me not to rent the house to the tenant with 6 types of dogs, pitbull is one of them.

Please give me some advise what I should do, please, thank you.

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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
8y

Something clearly is not adding up here. No one, no matter how dumb they are, have been in business as a PM for 6+ years and thinks dog owners are a protected class.  I think there is some kind of miscommunication between the pm and the op.  Some piece of information is not getting through.

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  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    Its not a service or support animal RIGHT NOW...... pick another tenant and fill the vacancy or pull it off the market. You have ZERO obligation to WAIT until they get something done. Decline their application NOW and find another tenant NOW

    I'm a veterinarian and in general I LOVE pitbulls...... most of them are great. I deal with WAY more nasty little yapper dogs, as well as German Sheppard's, Chows, cocker spaniels and some other nasty a-hole dogs. The big difference is the Pits pure power and strength. If they attack, they have the physically capability to inflict 10x the damage compared to an  "average" dog of the same size. So I can understand the fear......... but in general a lot of them are very sweet...... but I wouldn't want to meet a pissed off one in a dark alley. Would you rather have to face Mike Tyson in his prime or Joe the neighbor? Both can hit you and mess you up, but one can serious kill you with little effort and time.

    Rent the unit NOW....... find someone that is a better fit and leave the dog out of it....even better if you find someone with a dog........

    Even if the insurance reluctantly agrees, this is a bad relationship in the making....off to a horrible start that will only get worse

  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    The whole "service/emotional support animal" is a farce 95% of the time. A true service animal actually performs a true SERVICE and is trained to do that service....see eye, people in wheel chair etc.....the nebulous "emotional support" animal is the big issue since it is way hard to define and they don't need any formal training.....and its becoming a big industry to see little jackets and vest on the internet that anyone can buy.

    Its a shame, because there truly are animals that are real emotional support animals and all these liars and cons are ruining it for the real cases

  • Real Estate Agent · Ft. Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Cara Lonsdale:

    LOL.  Last I checked, dogs were not a protected class.

    Then again...you ARE talking about California.  They do all kinds of crazy stuff there! :)

    Give it time......

  • Real Estate Agent · Waterbury, VT · Member since 2018 · 151 posts · 65 votes
    8y
    So the premise is you have a false conception of pit bulls. If you look at dog bite incidents with pit bulls vs other dogs in relation to population of those dogs in the US, you might be surprised that pits aren’t as bad as you think. Drop the whole thing and just let them live there because it’s a non-issue
  • Fresno, TX · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 9 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Steve B.:

    Shamsud-Din J. Please provide a link showing a state site with approval criteria. I’d love to look at it

    Looking back at my reply, it would have been more clear if I said that the state may require that you let the applicant know "your" approval criteria instead of "the" approval criteria. The state doesn't set the criteria, at least not here in Texas.  However, they do require you let the applicant know what those criteria are (Texas Property Code 92.3515). If you don't, you have to refund their application fee.  Small peas, but still, something to be aware of if it, or something similar, applies in your state.

  • Engineer · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Shamsud-Din J. about what I figured, mote political unenforceable hand waving from extremist who want to dictate others behaviors.  When the time comes in which the state removes all subjective decision making options for landlords many of you are going to regret voting in your big government morality police 

  • Investor · TX · Member since 2015 · 393 posts · 290 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Martha Nowlan:

    So the premise is you have a false conception of pit bulls. If you look at dog bite incidents with pit bulls vs other dogs in relation to population of those dogs in the US, you might be surprised that pits aren’t as bad as you think. Drop the whole thing and just let them live there because it’s a non-issue

     Instead of looking at just dog bites,  look at serious injuries and fatalities.   Pits lead the list.   I know Fifi the Pomeranian can bite too, but she isn't going to maim or kill me.   Insurance companies work off data, and the data says pits are a bigger risk. 

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    Here's the problem with pitbulls: It's the owner.

    In a dog pack someone has to be the alpha. Dogs are hard wired, that if the owner doesn't do the proper things to show that they're alpha, then the dog has to take the alpha role. Just like most people, most dogs don't really want the responsibility of having to be the leader, but they have to do it, if noone else does. 

    There are certain breeds of dogs that are much quicker at taking on the alpha role, if the owner doesn't. And thus, it's important that the owner is willing to be a strong leader, if they own one of those dogs, like pitbull or German Shepherd or Doberman etc. 

    Pitbulls often attract (at least in my neighborhood of Atlanta) the kind of owners, that want to appear tough, so they get a pitbull and aren't a real leader. They may yell or scream at the dog or be mean, but they aren't leading. And then the dog will have to be alpha and part of that role is to protect the pack from whatever dangers may be around. 

    So, we hear about these pitbull attacks, that are usually because someone came into their territory or close to their house etc. But if the owner had been alpha, the dog wouldn't have had the need to protect, because he/she would have known their role to be pack.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    8y

    Here is what my Lease Application Guidelines Says: Feel Free to plagiarize as desired. 

    Resident Qualifying Criteria

    Pursuant to Property Code Section 92.3515, these Tenant Selection Criteria are being provided to you. The following constitute grounds upon which Landlord will be basing the decision to lease the Property to you. Based on the information you provide, Landlord may deny your application or may take other adverse actions against you (including, but not limited to, requiring a Co-Signer on the Lease, requiring additional deposits, or raising rent to a higher amount than for another applicant. If your application is denied based upon information obtained from your credit report or credit score, you will be notified:

    1.Criminal History: Landlord will perform a criminal history check on you to verify the information provided by you on the Lease Application. Landlord’s decision to lease the Property to you may be influenced by the information contained in the report.

    2.Previous Rental History: Landlord will verify your previous rental history using the information provided by you on the Lease Application. Your failure to provide the requested information, provision of inaccurate information, or information learned upon contacting previous landlords may influence Landlord’s decision to lease the Property to you.

    3.Current Income: Landlord may ask you to verify your income as stated on your Lease Application. Depending upon the rental amount being asked for the Property, the sufficiency of your income along with the ability to verify the stated income, may influence Landlord’s decision to lease the Property to you.

    4.Credit History: Landlord will obtain a Credit Reporting Agency (CRA) report, commonly referred to as a Credit Report, in order to verify your credit history. Landlord’s decision to lease the Property to you may be based upon information obtained from this report. If your application is denied based upon information obtained from your credit report, you will be notified.

    5.Failure to Provide Accurate Information in Application: Your failure to provide accurate information in your application or your provision of information that is unverifiable will be considered by Landlord when making the decision to lease the Property to you.

    In order to facilitate approval, the following guidelines apply.

    1. A separate Rental Application MUST be completed and signed by each Applicant and all adult Occupants 18 Years or older (Unless a full time student living with parents).

    2. Copies Of Application Deposit and Application Fees must accompany the applications to be processed. ALL MONIES must be in Certified Funds (Cashier’s Checks or Money Orders). CASH Is Acceptable For Application Fees. Certified Funds should be made payable as indicated on the Property Information Sheet. Incomplete applications will delay processing. Please be sure to include names, phone numbers with area codes, and dates as legibly as possible.

    3. Please provide a Photocopy of each Applicants Photo ID (Drivers License, Military ID, etc) along with their application.

    4. Applicant must have verifiable work history of at least two years. Gross monthly income should be at least three times the monthly rent. Self-employment and other income sources (trust funds, government grants) must be verifiable with bank statements, certified financial statements or tax returns. In addition, Applicant should have a minimum of two years of verifiable rental or mortgage history with a satisfactory payment history and no rental evictions, lease violations or foreclosures on their record.

    5. Applicants NOT meeting the above criteria may be approved with an increased Security Deposit, at the discretion of the Landlord. Another acceptable method, at the discretion of the Landlord is for A Family Member to lease the property in their name, and be responsible for the rent. NOTE: Family Member Tenants must complete the application process and have verifiable monthly income of FIVE times the rental amount.

    6. The following Breeds of Dogs are considered Dangerous and will NOT BE ACCEPTED under any circumstances. Pit Bull, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Husky, Alaskan Malamute, Doberman Pinscher, Chow, Presa Canario, Boxer, Dalmatian, Akita, Mastiff, Staffordshire Terrier.

    The preceding guidelines are meant to reflect the minimum criteria for consideration. Individual Landlords may have additional criteria. Information contained in each application is verified by the use of credit reports, rental reports, employment verifications, criminal history reports, public records, and / or other means available. If we are unable to verify any part of the rental qualifications within three (3) business days from the date the application is submitted, the application may be non-approved and the Application Deposit refunded. NOTE: The application fees for processing will be retained.

    Applicant may be denied occupancy for the following reasons, but not limited to: falsification of application, incomplete applications, insufficient rental or employment history, criminal history, or unverifiable information.

  • Little Rock, AR · Member since 2016 · 36 posts · 12 votes
    8y

    Thanks for sharing that @Jim Cummings

    A question to you or others (without the intention to hijack the original thread).

    1. Say I get an application from someone who satisfies all the criteria listed, but there is a bad vibe which makes me think they will be a problem tenant and I don't want to rent it to them. Can I do that?

    2. If I deny someone (which could be because they didn't meet a certain criteria that was listed, or due to #1 above), can they ask me for an explanation? And if so, am I obligated to give them one?

    I'm a new landlord and came across this thread, and it made me think about the above questions. Thanks. 

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 40 posts · 11 votes
    8y

    To All of you that wrote your experience and your opinion: Deeply appreciated. The information that you provided are much more informative and richer than the attorney I met today. Maybe tenant/landlord problem is not her specialty (even if she is listed as real estate and business attorney), I didn't get any useful suggestions. I will rely on all of your opinions and suggestions.

    @Jim Cummings: Thank you very much for your guideline, it is exactly what I am looking for. 

    @Pinaki M. Even if I have rented houses for 6 years, since I never participate in the property management, I am new to this topic, too. I have the same question as the No. 1.

    I think what I encountered is really a drama. Lots of you mentioned this potential tenant has red flag, so I did a simple google search for his name and location. He is pretty "famous" last year, he committed insurance fraud by sinking his own commercial boat. His name is in the all local newspaper everywhere. So my question is "If a landlord could deny a person with criminal record"? "is it a discrimination?"

    I cannot discuss such questions with my PM any more because I don't trust them any more. I don't know whether PM missed the background check or they know it, or they didn't deny it based on criminal record due to discrimination? But who want a tenant with that history? 

    Lots of people suggest to fire PM. I did, but it takes 30 days to complete it. I still need to work with them during these 30 days.

    So I told PM to take down the property not for rent any more. Is there a discrimination for changing mind?

    I suspect PM promise the potential tenant something, then things changed. Does the taking down remove all these trouble?

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · College Station, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 969 votes
    8y

    @Jo Zhou. Reference your questions: 

    None of the following is to be considered Legal Advice. Consult an Attorney of your choosing for Legal Advice. 

    So I told PM to take down the property not for rent any more. Is there a discrimination for changing mind? 

    RESPONSE: NO! It's your property and you can do as you please as long as you are NOT discriminating against any of the Protected Classes. See Below for info on protected classes. 

    I suspect PM promise the potential tenant something, then things changed. Does the taking down remove all these trouble?

    RESPONSE: Anything your PM promised outside of your guidance to them or you have agreed to is the PM's "Bucket of Vigiro" to deal with - NOT your's, in my opinion. The PM is contracted to work for you, and follow your instruction as long as you are not requiring them to do something that's prohibited by law. 

    Choosing Tenants: Avoiding Fair Housing Complaints and Lawsuits

    https://tinyurl.com/yclj5m4g

    Federal and state antidiscrimination laws limit what you can say and do in the tenant selection process. Remember, the FEDERAL Protected Classes are Race, Color, Religion, National Origin, Sex, Disability, and Familial Status.

    https://tinyurl.com/y9acgrts

    States, Cities and Municipalities MAY ADD to the list of protected classes. Make sure you know any additional classes added by local authorities.

    When choosing tenants, keep in mind the following best practices.

    Check credit, income, and references, Make decisions based on business reasons, Understand fair housing rules, and be consistent. Having written criteria will aid you in your decisions as well as offer some upfront protection and or avoidance of complaints.

    There are provisions of the Federal Fair Housing Act that allow certain Exemptions. These are:

    Single-family homes rented without the use of a real estate agent or advertising are exempt from the federal Fair Housing Act as long as the private landlord/owner doesn’t own more than three homes at the time.

    Apartments of four units or less are also exempt if the owner lives in one of the units. However, even if this multifamily exemption applies to you, your rental advertising must still comply with the Act.

    Other exemptions include the rental of a single room in a home, qualified senior housing, and housing operated by religious or private organizations, if certain requirements are met.

    https://tinyurl.com/y92fxzsr

    Hope this helps:

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 40 posts · 11 votes
    8y

    @Jim Cummings: wow, very thorough. I will study it very well. 1000 thanks! 🙏 

    I doubt my PM knows all these or not. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    Welcome to California where there must be a lot of hungry lawyers.  I wouldn't worry about it.  

    Change property managers just for this one property if you have to.   

    There's all kinds of things a saavy property manager could do to make them go away.  

    I would not take the tenant because they are telling you day 1 they want to be difficult.

    I've never seen a complete application I don't think.  Turn them down for that.

  • Real Estate Broker · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2016 · 36 posts · 38 votes
    8y

    @Jo Zhou:

    Obligatory "Not a lawyer, not meant as legal advice" disclaimer to the following. It's information based on my understanding of the law as it's currently written/applied.

    Apologies if this has already been covered, but I did a cursory scan of the whole thread & didn't see it pointed out anywhere.

    In my opinion, we're dealing with 1 of 3 situations here - resulting in 1 of 2 solutions:

    #1: The Pit-Bull is a registered service animal (not a "pet"): This is the most unlikely of scenarios. Actual service animals require extensive & specialized training to provide a very specific service to their owner. As such, they are often VERY expensive. In the unlikely event it is a fully registered service animal (paperwork filed with the State, available for your viewing) - then your Insurance Company could be in violation of Title II of the ADA (lawsuits are still working their ways through the Court system). In the VERY unlikely event it is a registered service animal, your best course of action would be to rent to the tenant - and seek out an Insurance Company that allows this breed. Even in the event that the Insurance companies prevail in pending litigation - it's best that you (as a private landlord) err on the side of caution. Disclaimer below**

    Now let's get down to the likely reality of the situation:

    #2: The Pit Bull is an "Emotional Support Animal". This type of animal is not covered under the ADA - it is covered under the FHA. According to the FHA, a landlord MUST make a "Reasonable Accommodation" to allow for an Emotional Support Animal. Being canceled by your Insurance Company, and spending time sourcing (and possibly paying higher premiums to) another insurance company is NOT a "reasonable accommodation". PERIOD. Being left without insurance and thus potentially exposing yourself/your business to increased personal/business liability as a result is NOT a "reasonable accommodation". PERIOD. In this situation, after providing proof that your current & preferred Insurance Company will cancel your policy if you accept a Pit Bull - your legal liability is absolved. PERIOD. (Sorry for all the underlines/CAPS - not yelling at you by any means, just trying to convey emphasis... darn internet and its lack of person-ability).

    #3: The Pit Bull is a PET. As has been covered at great length in this thread, pets are not a protected class. You are 100% free to refuse to rent at your discretion. PERIOD (sorry, couldn't resist).

    **Disclaimer to point #1: If you are unable to find an Insurance Company who will cover your dwelling with a Pit Bull animal on-site, or if you are required to pay a substantially higher premium as a result of the Pit Bull animal - I think a very strong case could be made on your behalf that this is an un-reasonable accommodation that you would be required to make to rent to this tenant. If the Insurance Companies eventually lose any litigation regarding this matter, I believe the liability would ultimately fall to them for failing to provide you with options for coverage. That said, you would need to be able to show that you sought alternative means of coverage, and were either subsequently denied - or would have been required to pay substantially higher premiums. I would also strongly recommend consulting with an Attorney if it is indeed proven to be a Service Animal.

    At the end of the day: most of what I've covered will likely be irrelevant. What you're likely dealing with is either 1) An emotional support animal (not covered by the ADA) or 2) Simply a pet. If either of those cases is the reality - I'd tell them to go ahead and contact their lawyer... and have him/her follow up with mine. If one of these 2 instances is the reality - find yourself a new PM.

    Best of luck to you, it's always an interesting business.

    Cheers!

  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    Yours, mine and everyone else on here's OPINION about pit bulls is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. When it comes to this matter the POLICY of your insurance company trumps them all. Right or wrong, that is their policy. If you believe they are wrong, then get different insurance or lobby on a national level to get that very common policy ruled illegal. Otherwise, your OPINION about the breed is irrelevant to the current issue at hand.

  • Professional · Nokomis, FL · Member since 2013 · 123 posts · 99 votes
    8y

    @Jo Zhou, I have not read all of the pages yet, but had to comment... DO NOT keep referring to this person as "Tenant ".  He is not (and should never be) your tenant.  He is an Applicant. 

    Sounds minor, but calling him a tenant, especially in writing, gives him more ammo (even if shooting blanks) in court... "look judge, she even refers to me as the tenant, so based on that I did x,y and z".  

    Finally, let him sue!  That is why you pay insurance.  They will slap back and end the suit in a heartbeat!

    Best of luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 401 posts · 221 votes
    8y
  • Investor · Princeton, NJ · Member since 2015 · 12 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    Sounds to me that the prospective tenant is playing hardball. He/she knows that having a pitbull will make it harder to rent an apartment. Or the tenant has already been rejected many times and has decided to go in guns blazing hoping that the he/she can scare an owner into renting to them. My guess is that he/she is bluffing and is hoping you won't call the bluff. 

    It could be simply that the property manager is mediocre and doesn't want to deal with a difficult prospective.

  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 12 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Roger S.:

    Yeah, lots of dogs bite, but I can drop kick most of them into next week.  Pit bulls that bite are much more dangerous and I refuse to allow any pit or pit cross in any of our homes.   Our pet policy states, "no dogs over 25 lbs, no pit bulls or pit crosses".   At first we just had the size limit and thought that would stop the pit bull owners, but we had to add the pit disclaimer because they still ask about their damn pit bulls.  And even now we get people trying to slip past it, "oh, he's just a puppy, oh he's the sweetest thing".  I DON'T CARE.  No pits.

  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 12 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Roger S.:

    Yeah, lots of dogs bite, but I can drop kick most of them into next week.  Pit bulls that bite are much more dangerous and I refuse to allow any pit or pit cross in any of our homes.   Our pet policy states, "no dogs over 25 lbs, no pit bulls or pit crosses".   At first we just had the size limit and thought that would stop the pit bull owners, but we had to add the pit disclaimer because they still ask about their damn pit bulls.  And even now we get people trying to slip past it, "oh, he's just a puppy, oh he's the sweetest thing".  I DON'T CARE.  No pits. That is the most RIDICULOUS thing I have read in awhile ...everyone must do what is best for them of course BUT please do NOT spread MIS INFORMATION  or BIAS FEAR BASED INFO if you speak to any VET ..VET TECH.. Emergency room personnel they can tell you that on a daily basis they deal with multiple dog bites and repair terrible   situations to kids faces and fingers..that are NEVER reported  this is DAILY mind you.. and the dog is a 25 pound or less dog that has you said you could "drop kick". I can tell by the way you speak of the breed "Damn pit bull" this is BIAS and personnel that is fine.you of course are entitled to do as you like but if giving advice lets try to be honest and open not JADED. you may learn something.

  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 12 votes
    8y

    Well folks here  in Rochester between all 8 large properties we have over 20+ tenants with Bully breeds and NO ISSUES in 20 yrs one dog related issue with a lab who attacked a pit puppy 2 yrs ago.... you folks are just a hand full of people thank goodness of landlords in this Country. Because I assure you MANY of us who own luxury loft buildings in cities like Buffalo NY ..Rochester NY  and Manhattan NY  do not restrict breeds but go case by case.  to each their own. But please do not turn this into a fear bias name calling conversation or an ALL pitts are evil  thread that is just not correct.

  • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Violetta Christensen  Does permitting Bully Breeds his have an effect on your insurance cost?

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  • Buffalo, NY · Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 12 votes
    8y

    Hi Matthew I see you are from Buffalo as well. Nice to meet you. We have mixed used property and have no issues however I highly recommend on ANY lease that you require a tenant to show prove of a 12 month paid renters policy with a pet rider including that pet upon signing the lease regardless of the breed.  There are several insurance companies that insure bullies the premium is not too bad.... 1/4 higher than most. I hope that helps?  Listen I am a Bully owner I understand the challenges of renting but I am not naïve either that said in the past I have lived in buildings with nightmare other breeds that are considered ideal and NOT so that is why I choose to take it case by case PERSONALLY.  

  • Investor · TX · Member since 2015 · 393 posts · 290 votes
    8y

    @Violetta Christensen    I freely admit to being biased against pit bulls, that was the whole point of my post,   But, it's a bias based on facts.   Your statement about talking to vets and ER personnel is not a fact, it's just something you pulled out of the air.  You did however admit that it costs more to insure a pit bull, and that is based on facts.   

    Here are some more facts for you.  A quick summary.  Pit bulls kill more people by a wide margin than all other breeds COMBINED.

    2017 analysis and 13-year summary

    • 39 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2017. Despite being regulated in areas and over , pit bulls contributed to 74% (29) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.5% of the total U.S. dog population.3
    • During the , canines killed 433 Americans. Two dog breeds, pit bulls (284) and rottweilers (45), contributed to 76% (329) of these deaths. 35 different dog breeds contributed to the remaining fatal dog maulings.
    • In 2017, the combination of pit bulls (29), their close cousins, American bulldogs (1) and mastiff-type guard dogs and war dogs (2) contributed to 82% (32) of all dog bite-related fatalities. Rottweilers inflicted 1 death, killing an 18-month old Phoenix boy.
    • German shepherds had the second highest death rate in 2017, inflicting 4 deaths, followed by mixed-breeds with 3 deaths and two breeds with 2 deaths, Labrador retrievers and mastiff-types, and 2 deaths involving unknown/unreleased breed data.

    Here's more data and the studies it came from.

    Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs.

    Of the more than 8 different breeds identified, one-third were caused by pit bull terriers and resulted in the highest rate of consultation (94%) and had 5 times the relative rate of surgical intervention.

    Unlike all other breeds, pit bull terriers were relatively more likely to attack an unknown individual (+31%), and without provocation (+48%).

    Our data were consistent with others, in that an operative intervention was more than 3 times as likely to be associated with a pit bull injury than with any other breed.

    That's why I don't accept pit bulls.

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