Evicting Unauthorized Tenants / Avoiding Physical Confrontation

Evicting Unauthorized Tenants / Avoiding Physical Confrontation

Professional · Green Bay, WI · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 1 vote

Can anyone give me tips to avoid physical altercations at my units geared towards low-income tenants? 

I've had two gentleman threaten me in the last few months. I had to call the police earlier this week on one of them because there was no way I was getting my pressure washer back without getting punched in the face or worse. The small town rumor is that dude is the dope man and he has a laundry list of small-time drug and some more significant battery convictions already. I hate calling the police, but I think in this case it was the right move.

Anyway, both were guys with criminal records not on the lease trying to live with their "baby-mamas." When I asked them about getting on the lease, they both admitted to an unacceptable criminal record, but for various reasons believed they were entitled to stay. I never argued or got upset until the physical threats started; I just kept to the facts and the policy. The first guy left without issue after the tenants realized they were going to lose their apartment; the second is tbd.

When I get unauthorized tenants, I write a very short and simple letter stating that everyone has to be on the lease and pass a background check. If I see them or talk to them about something else, I'll mention it as well. However, if I talk to them and they don't fix it or they actively avoid me, the next month I mail and post on their door the same letter with the appropriate eviction or termination notice with the opportunity to cure the problem. If they ignore that I follow through with filing an eviction. The problems occur in the time period after the second letter, but before the eviction is filed. Most people I have to work on this with, however, merely question why it matters to me, I explain it, and its just a matter of tidying up paperwork.

I'm not sure if there is anything I can do differently or better, but maybe someone has an idea for me.

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Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
8y
There was another method you can use Being that you are dealing with criminals you may wanna see about your local police station serving the paperwork ( oddly enough many do this for a nominal fee) because this will really upset these guys if they see somebody that’s in law-enforcement coming out to the house and serving the papers. it will make them very nervous and they may want to leave altogether or comply
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  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    8y

    @Grant K. Send them a 14 day notice to cure and list the part of the lease that they are in violation of. If they don't comply you are better off evicting them.

    I would not confront them in person without police present.

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    8y
    The bigger question is Why would you even want these guys on the lease so your stuck with them scared to even go to your own property in the future ? A fish rots from the head down Get rid of the problem .find a way to evict baby mamma instead
  • Walnut Creek, CA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    Befriend local bouncer at the seedy bar in town, offer discounted rent for him to serve notice to tenants. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    8y
    There was another method you can use Being that you are dealing with criminals you may wanna see about your local police station serving the paperwork ( oddly enough many do this for a nominal fee) because this will really upset these guys if they see somebody that’s in law-enforcement coming out to the house and serving the papers. it will make them very nervous and they may want to leave altogether or comply
  • Deborah BurianPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
    8y

    Tenants either are,or are not, complying with their lease.  If they are not, they need to be evicted.  We post paper notices but do not confront tenants.  If the issue is uncorrected, we pay the sheriff to post the court notice and any further documents. 

    There have been several episodes of violence toward the landlord here in Oklahoma; a deputy sheriff told me about one case he personally had handled where a shotgun was rigged to go off when the door was opened.  I am not fearful when I do my job but I do use professionals where professional skills are called for.

  • Professional · Green Bay, WI · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    If I do an eviction it is everyone in the unit. No exceptions. BM is out too.

    As soon as someone starts lying to me and being difficult, I'm looking for an opportunity to get rid of them. The people foolish enough to argue typically give me another opportunity to evict them soon enough. BM is on her way out within a few months.

    Hiring help to serve notice or process is something I already do. If no one else, the sheriff is happy to do it.

    Does anybody have tips for screening people better?  Idk how to screen out the person with a clean background, but associates with questionable people. Is there a tell-tale sign I'm over looking?

    Or how about a passive method to discourage the criminal behavior and aggression? I've seen cameras. I know people invite the building inspector and fire marshal for inspections or invite the police to talk with everyone. I'm fishing for clever ideas. A building can fall apart in a few months and by the time the problem comes to me I have rightful upset good tenants.

  • Rental Property Investor · Edison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 753 posts · 565 votes
    8y
    I do not think it is realistic to think that you can ask the tenants to put out their boyfriends and they will actually comply. I suspect they will either lie and agree to put them out or they will just refuse directly. At the very least they will be staying there some of the time. The way I look at it you can either allow the baby daddies to stay there or not renew the lease with the actual tenant. If it is a month to month just serve notice of non renewal and if it is a year lease wait it out and then send a notice of non-renewal. I imagine it will be difficult to prove in court that they live there if you try to evict them over it. The tenants will likely say that he was there but he is no longer there or deny it all together.
  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y

    @Grant K.

    This is of course the main reason no one wants to invest in the hood.

    You are the one with some money, you own the house he lives in, and you have recourse to law enforcement. He does not. Use these things to your advantage. The biggest and best-armed gang in Green Bay, the police, is on your side. Calling the police is ALWAYS the wise thing to do. Keeping the local cops appraised of any developing situations is always wise. ALWAYS listen to their advice. So many of your tax dollars go to keeping them employed. Use this fact.

    Download a recording app on your cell phone and turn it on when you have a conversation with these types. Carry pepper spray and a gun on you at all times, because sometimes criminals get drunk and high and do really stupid things.

    You are The Man. You own the house. It is unacceptable to deal with The Man in this way. Criminals know it, because they spend enough time in prison to know it. When they talk to you, they had better call you, "Sir."

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