I just called the cops. There's someone screaming in the basement

I just called the cops. There's someone screaming in the basement

Peter StewartBusiness Member
Real Estate Broker · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 160 posts · 168 votes

That was the text I got from a tenant at 730am last Friday morning. They live in a 4plex I own nearby. What a way to start the day! 

Here's some backstory before I get to the details - I am in the process of evicting one of the tenants in that 4 unit for multiple lease violations (non-payment of rent, installed a window a/c unit and has not taken it out despite multiple warnings, and has had 2 people living in the unit who are not on the lease for the last 6mo). The tenant is a real piece of work - an alcoholic, a druggie, and a total liar. And, the two people living with him are now wanted for aggravated assault. One of the two stabbed someone at a gas station - I recognized them from the news article (they had security footage), and they've been turned in to the police (the police have all their info, but haven't acted on it yet). Needless to say, these are not good people and I need them out.

Note - This is my first "real" eviction. Have the hearing this coming Thursday. 

When I got that text I immediately hopped in the car and drove to the property (~7min away). I was able to catch the officers before they left the property. Apparently for 3 days in a row these lovely tenants have had a homeless person living in the basement of the property (one of their druggie "friends", I'm sure). And this particular morning he was extremely inebriated and decided to scream at the top of his lungs at 730am, scaring the crap out of my other tenants (I'm told multiple calls went in to police). I'm told he sounded "demonic". The tenant I'm evicting "claimed" him and told the cops he could sleep it off in his unit. I tried to have him trespassed to no avail....When I went to check out the basement to make sure there was no damage there were 4 Loco cans everywhere. Based on this guys behavior, there was more than that involved. And yes, I immediately changed the basement lock and didn't give the bad tenant a key copy.

So, what is the moral of this story and why am I telling it? Several reasons:

1. Trust your gut. I knew from the beginning this tenant was no good. But, he was an acquaintance from high school and I had a few people vouch for him. In my gut I knew not to lease to him, but I didn't follow it.

2. Diligently screen EVERY tenant, no matter who they are. I didn't vet him at all (no credit or background check, etc). I went off the "word" of two people. Surprisingly, these two people are not interested in now reimbursing me for the unpaid rent, attorney fees, and damages to the unit :)

3. Treat your rental properties like a business, not a hobby. This is probably my biggest mistake. I am a full time realtor and this is my main source of income. But, I do own multiple rentals and I'm on a path to purchase 100 units in the next 5 years. So, it's imperative that I treat it like the business it is. I was WAY too lax with tenants, allowing them to pay late, pay in installments, etc. Establish clear rules and boundaries, and don't deviate from them, no matter what. 

4. Train your tenants from the beginning. If you give an inch, they'll take a mile. Set clear rules and expectations with them in the beginning. These people are your customers, not your friends. Treat them as such. Don't let them cross into the "friend zone", or even get close to it. It's tough, but you have to remove all emotion from this side of the business. It's something I've really struggled with in the past, but this lesson has opened my eyes and made it very easy to make the change.

Although this problem tenant has been just that, I almost have to thank him. He has taught me so many lessons to apply to my business, I will be benefiting from them for the rest of my life and undoubtedly will gain far more $$ from the lessons than what this tenant has cost me.

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Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
8y
@Peter Stewart It takes a man to admit his mistakes . Thank you for the life lessons
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  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y

    @Peter Stewart great story and great lessons.

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    8y
    @Peter Stewart It takes a man to admit his mistakes . Thank you for the life lessons
  • Broker · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 351 posts · 273 votes
    8y

    5. Never ever rent to friends or family.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y
    @Peter Stewart A lot of times this can be solved with a good property manager. You should probably consider getting one of those
  • Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y

    @Peter Stewart

    Good luck to you cleaning up this miserable situation and going on with your life and your landlording. Anybody who's been in the game for a while has the scars to show from it.

  • Rental Property Investor · Tacoma, WA · Member since 2018 · 113 posts · 149 votes
    8y

    I agree 100% with your four points. I've seen a lot of things as a landlord. Mostly due to tenants we inherited on distressed properties. 

    The only advice that I can offer is to try to keep cool and objective. Look at the situation in terms of cash flow and asset protection. As much as it may rub you the wrong way, you might consider cash for keys to get rid of the problem tenant. Nobody wants to "reward" bad behavior, but if you can rid yourself of a problem quickly, you might save money in the long run.

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    8y
    @Peter Stewart When I get a series of mishaps or tenants being IdIots and I’m frustrated ..I calm down and remind myself ” this is business ,thIs Is to be expected so how can I learn from this and move on “
  • Rental Property Investor · Edison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 753 posts · 565 votes
    8y
    @Peter Stewart. I would get a PM unless you are ready to run your property like a business.
  • Peter StewartBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 160 posts · 168 votes
    8y

    @Matt Shields good call, definitely need to keep the tenants at arms length.

    @Caleb Heimsoth & @Amy Beth I definitely understand the benefits of a PM. One day when my portfolio is big enough I will hand all the properties off. For now, I'm bootstrapping it. Lessons have been learned, hence this post, so going forward my operation will be run strictly like a business, which should help mitigate some of the issues I've been encountering. But, as we all know, these types of issues are just part of the landlord life!

    @Jim K. Totally right. In fact, I even told my attorney the other day that I finally have my own landlord horror story. Been smooth sailing for me for the last 7 years, so it was only a matter of time!

    @Rhonda Wilson I love the cash for keys idea. I've heard multiple mentions of that strategy on the BP podcasts. In hindsight, that may have been the way to go. This particular tenant kept promising me he'd be out voluntarily. Multiple times in text and to my face. In fact, the last time I saw him he stood in front of me, looked me in the eye, apologized, and promised he'd be out the next day (this was the 4th time he said that). The next day, he was still there and he blocked my phone # so I couldn't contact him. That's when I went straight to my attorney and started the formal eviction.

    @Dennis M. Great advice - it's definitely challenging separating out the emotion from it. Takes a lot of practice. But you're right, once you view it rationally like that, it can remove the emotion and put you in a position to learn and grow from it (which is exactly what happened to me here). 

  • Will GastonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Columbia, SC · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Peter Stewart thanks for sharing. 

    It's hard to remember when it happens, but if you persist, you're going to make a lot of money off lessons learned in RE.

  • Investor · Long Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 313 posts · 190 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Peter Stewart:

    ...

     there were 4 Loco cans everywhere. ...

     Hey...the stuff lives up to its reputation!

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