Struggle to Evict Tenant in BC, Canada - Anyone tested for THC?

Struggle to Evict Tenant in BC, Canada - Anyone tested for THC?

Investor · Calgary, Alberta · Member since 2016 · 168 posts · 123 votes

I’ve asked this question to a few people who know the BC landlord-tenant laws, but I’d like to broaden it to a larger audience for more input. I’m asking for a relative that lives/owns rental property in BC, Canada. If you aren’t already aware, BC laws are EXTREMELY tenant-friendly.

My relatives live in BC and own a 4 acre property that they bought out of foreclosure. They live in the main residence, and there are 2 older cottages on the property. At the time they bought it, cottage A was rented, and the tenant has been there about 15 years, and it's a happy, mutual agreement to keep her. They renovated Cottage B ($30k renos), found a great tenant, who ended up only staying for a few months due to being too far from work. At that time (Dec 2017) they rented it to a man, who was the best applicant of the bunch, though not quite the same caliber of tenant as the first guy. Fast forward a few months into the tenancy, and the guy starts smoking pot inside and out, which is specifically outlined by an addition in the lease that states no smoking of any kind on the property (In Canada, smoking pot became legal in Oct 2018 but BC agreed that if the original lease has a non-smoking policy (which it does), it still applied to marijuana). Around the same time, she goes over one evening to deliver a notice of rent increase (using all the proper BC forms, etc) and the smell coming out of the house is overpowering. They discuss that this is a violation of the lease, and all agree to a mutual termination of the lease. She gets the paperwork together and goes back over to get him to sign it, and he's changed his mind and refuses to sign.

She then gives him a notice to evict, and then he files with the Tenancy board (17 days after the deadline) that he is objecting to the eviction. It goes to arbitration (a phone call that is not allowed to be recorded), and the tenant comes up with all sorts of lies and BS. The arbitrator comes back with his decision that because my mom did not A) physically SEE him smoking pot, and B) between finding the house smelled like weed and giving him an eviction notice, she did not give him a notice giving him adequate time to correct the situation, the eviction got denied. Her appeal was also denied.

She would just like this guy out, but everything she's read on BC landlord-tenant laws all STRONGLY favour the tenant, and she can not find any way to get him out.

Any ideas on how to get him out? I'm not as familiar as she is with the BC laws, but she's told me that even if she dies, or the property is sold, a new purchaser can "request" the tenants evict, but they can not enforce it. What lunacy is this? How do BC landlords ever get rid of undesirable tenants if they're still paying rent on time? The only things I’ve been able to find beyond having frequent inspections to irritate him and physically see him smoking it (which how are you going to do that when he shuts the curtains and does it inside?), is turning the unit into non-residential use (such as..?). Even that requires 4 months notice. For those about to suggest a month-to-month or non-renew at the end of the lease, unfortunately it doesn’t work that way in BC, you must have a valid reason to evict instead of just not-renewing (term leases convert to month-to-month when they’re up). The unit is rented for $1000/m, and it doesn’t help that market rent is now around $1100-$1200/m, so the guy knows he’s getting a deal.

Has anyone ever used a test for THC residue and had any success (or not) in using it as evidence in tenant-friendly regions?

I'm trying to help her find any loophole as the stress of this and being unable to enjoy her own home peacefully with an antagonistic tenant next door and having to smell it daily is really starting to affect her. Any insight you have is appreciated!

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Rental Property Investor · parksville, bc · Member since 2017 · 153 posts · 148 votes
7y

Hi Brianne, as you've stated, the BC rental rules are very tenant friendly. There are very few reasons you can legally evict a tenant. If you are planning to do major renovations to the unit, and it will not be possible to live in the unit during those renovations, you can give them 4 months notice to get out, BUT you do have to offer the unit back to the same tenant when the renovations are complete. Another option is if the owner or direct family member plan to move into the unit for at least 6 months. If they fail to pay rent, you can evict them. (If rent is due on the 1st, and they don't pay, give them an eviction notice on the 2nd. If they come up with rent within 2 weeks, you can't kick them out) If they continuously pay rent late you can evict them. Those are about the only ways you can get them out. And yes, even if you sell the property, if the new owners don't plan to move into the unit, you still can't evict them.

My only suggestion, if you really want them out, is keys for cash. I know it sucks to pay some low life money because they are being a pain in the ***, but it's the one thing that seems to work. Offer to give him say $1,500 to move out in 60 days. Get it in writing! It is legal to do this! Get him to sign something saying he will terminate his tenancy on XX date and will be paid $1,500 as a bonus to help him find new accommodations. I believe you will have to pay 1 month rent to him anyhow to evict him, so it might be $1,000+$1,500 to get him out, but if you want him out, this is your best bet.

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  • Rental Property Investor · parksville, bc · Member since 2017 · 153 posts · 148 votes
    7y

    Hi Brianne, as you've stated, the BC rental rules are very tenant friendly. There are very few reasons you can legally evict a tenant. If you are planning to do major renovations to the unit, and it will not be possible to live in the unit during those renovations, you can give them 4 months notice to get out, BUT you do have to offer the unit back to the same tenant when the renovations are complete. Another option is if the owner or direct family member plan to move into the unit for at least 6 months. If they fail to pay rent, you can evict them. (If rent is due on the 1st, and they don't pay, give them an eviction notice on the 2nd. If they come up with rent within 2 weeks, you can't kick them out) If they continuously pay rent late you can evict them. Those are about the only ways you can get them out. And yes, even if you sell the property, if the new owners don't plan to move into the unit, you still can't evict them.

    My only suggestion, if you really want them out, is keys for cash. I know it sucks to pay some low life money because they are being a pain in the ***, but it's the one thing that seems to work. Offer to give him say $1,500 to move out in 60 days. Get it in writing! It is legal to do this! Get him to sign something saying he will terminate his tenancy on XX date and will be paid $1,500 as a bonus to help him find new accommodations. I believe you will have to pay 1 month rent to him anyhow to evict him, so it might be $1,000+$1,500 to get him out, but if you want him out, this is your best bet.

  • Investor · Calgary, Alberta · Member since 2016 · 168 posts · 123 votes
    7y

    @Jason Ridout thanks for the suggestions!

    - Unfortunately he knows enough to pay rent on time, so can't evict for non-payment

    - I'm the only family member that qualifies to move in, and I don't have any plans on moving provinces. Apparently if you don't have a legitimate immediate family member move in, the landlord owes something ridiculous like 12 months of rent?! Yikes. 

    - Unit is pretty well brand new, so no major renovations needed. And they certainly don't want to offer it back to him. Has BC implemented a rent maximum for after the unit has been renovated? I thought I read that it had to be offered back at the same price as it was previously rented for - ridiculous! 

    - Cash for keys was my original suggestion, but she didn't think it was legal - she was worried it would be frowned upon as bribery or something. Have you or anyone you know been successful with it? For sure it's legal (anywhere it happens to mention this in the tenancy act)? 

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    7y

    Rules in Ontario are similar. Generally to get rid of a tenant you must make their life a living hell since evicting is virtually impossible.

    She must use the system to her advantage. The adjudicator stated that she did not follow proper procedure, she did not give adequate time to cure.

    It is going to be difficult but she will have to refile and this time dot all the I's and cross all the T's. She may in fact have to do it several times. I had one tenant that required 12 board hearings and took 3 years before I finally got her out.

    In Ontario landlords use the system only as a absolute last resort and usually rely on other methods to get rid of tenants. Other methods not being strictly "legal". Unfortunately the system forces us to break rules to deal with professional tenants. The power is all in the hands of the tenants and they know it.

    Tell them to inspect regularly and keep filing for eviction.

  • Rental Property Investor · parksville, bc · Member since 2017 · 153 posts · 148 votes
    7y

    Unfortunately if you don't have a family member moving in, and you aren't doing renos, even 12 months rent won't do it. You can't get them out. You can continue trying to catch them smoking weed in the house, and try the eviction process, but I'll just be honest, it'll be a long time before they are out. If the tenants know their rights, they will play the victim card, and say they need to smoke weed because they have chronic pain and it's not fair to make them go outside etc, etc, and the judge will see the landlord as the bad guy.

    Keys for cash. You won't find it on the government websites as a way to get people out because it really has nothing to do with tenancy. It's an agreement outside of the tenancy. You are paying someone to do something, in this case money to find a new place to live. The tenants don't have to agree to it, it's a choice. You could offer them $50 to cut the grass, or $1,000 to paint the house. That's it's own contract, totally separate from the rental agreement. 

    I'm a Realtor, and suggest this to owners all the time. If you aren't sure, go ask a lawyer how to word it, or get them to draft it for you for a couple hundred bucks. I've even used legal licensed rental management companies to offer keys for cash on my rental properties and they are fine with it, and tell me I'm not the only one doing it. I know it seems shady, but you are just offering money for someone to perform a task, as long as that task isn't illegal, like murder, or robbing a store, it's fine. They can just say no.

  • Investor · Calgary, Alberta · Member since 2016 · 168 posts · 123 votes
    7y

    Thank you, I will pass these suggestions on to her. Hopefully he can be out sooner rather than later :( 

  • Rental Property Investor · Victoria, British Columbia · Member since 2016 · 36 posts · 25 votes
    7y

    We have bought out tenants before, but not in a situation where they are bad tenants, but where we want to renovate the suite because it is quite disgusting and dont want to worry about giving them a 4 months notice. 

    We typically try and lead in a positive manner and offer things in a way that will help them find a new place, rather then just say "Hey heres money to leave". Here is something that I would write to them to give you an idea of what it would sound like. 

    Something along the lines of "I totally understand why you dont want to leave as the market is hard out there and prices are rising and we dont want to feel like your in a place of being homeless, but we both know you have breached the contract by smoking inside and I hope you can see as landlords that puts us in a tough position especially going forward. We were wondering if there was a way to work together to find you an alternative place to live so we both dont have to live in a situation where we are both on edge looking for reasons to fight eviction. We would be willing to pay your first months rent (which will off set the extra $100/month rent at your new place) , return your damage deposit in full, and even pay for a moving truck if you can find a place to move in to that is more convenient for you and your lifestyle. We have nothing against people smoking, we just dont allow it in our suites. Here are 5 links to other places similar to this that look good! (pull one from each site that they can search places on. like facebook, craigslist, kajiji etc). We hope to come to an agreement that works for both people and save both of us from wasted time in tribunal and fighting paperwork. Going forward, we will be working with Landlord BC to make sure all the paperwork is done properly for any notices that are needed to be given and done in the proper fashion with regards to lease agreements. Thanks."

    Now that doesnt work all the time, but it at least sets the tone that your willing to work together to find him a new place, that your going to be strict about the rules, that you went and got proper help but doesnt cause any more anger or disagreements. There is nothing more expensive then a tenant that doesnt treat your house like their own. For the $1500 to move him out it will be well worth your time! 

    If you wanna chat further about how we do these type of conversations please feel free to reach out to me!

    Cheers
    Randy
    Vancouver Island, BC, Canada.
    (Victoria)

  • Real Estate Agent · Kelowna, BC · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    Hi Brianne, If I were your parents I would just use the reasoning that they would like to use the cottage themselves along with the main house. I have seen others in the area do this with regards to getting tenants out of suites, carriage houses etc.

    Hopefully they can find a solution too. Thats really too bad.

    All the best,

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