Stay on top of this housing discrimination pitfall

Stay on top of this housing discrimination pitfall

Real Estate Broker · Northeast PA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes

Hi All:

Just came across this article and thought it might help landlords and managers keep on top of a growing trend:

How To Avoid A Fair Housing Claim Over Source Of Income Discrimination source of income discrimination as more and more cities and states pass these types of fair housing laws is the topic this week of the training tip.

By Ellen Clark

Many states and cities, including Seattle and the State of Washington, have laws against source of income discrimination meaning a property owner cannot choose to reject an applicant based on where his income comes from as long as it is a lawful source.

Source-of-income discrimination has been documented by researchers, and advocates say it creates barriers for people struggling to find housing.

In Baltimore, the City Council has passed legislation that would make it illegal for property managers to discriminate against prospective residents because of how they would pay their rent. The law bans discrimination on the basis of a tenant’s source of income, so long as the income is lawful. Under the , landlords will be unable to turn away voucher holders simply for paying their rent with a voucher rather than with earned income, a rule that is already on the books in dozens of cities and several states.

This type of discrimination is known as “source of income” discrimination, and though not prohibited under federal fair housing law, it is prohibited by some state, city, and county laws. According to reports at least 12 states and numerous cities have similar legislation in place so it pays to check your local city and state laws on this issue. The states of Washington, Oregon, Utah and Colorado all have these types of laws with these types of laws.

Source of income discrimination is often directed at people whose lawful livelihoods come from sources other than a paycheck.

Examples of lawful sources of income include:

Source of income discrimination may not be prohibited under federal fair housing law, however, it is prohibited by some state, city, and county laws.

  • Housing Choice Vouchers (Section 8)
  • Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
  • Social Security
  • Veterans benefits
  • Alimony or child support payments
  • Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)

What types of actions may be considered source of income discrimination?

Here are some examples:

  • Advertising that a person “must have a job” to rent an apartment.
  • Requiring documentation, such as pay stubs, that are typically only available to people who are working.
  • Advertisements that express limitations as to the source of income of potential residents, such as, “No Section 8” or “We do not take public assistance”
  • Refusing to rent to a person who is receiving public benefits.
  • Setting income requirements artificially high in order to exclude applicants who receive public benefits.
  • Requiring co-signers or a larger security deposit because of an applicant’s source of income.

How to avoid a fair housing claim over source of income discrimination

If discrimination based on the source of income is prohibited in your state or locality, one of the most important things you can do to make sure you do not end up on the wrong side of a fair housing claim is to keep all employees well informed.

  • Staff members should refresh their fair housing knowledge at least annually and be aware that discrimination based on “source of income” is illegal.

All staff members who come into contact with residents and prospective residents must be trained in fair housing laws.

  • All staff members should refresh their fair housing knowledge at least annually and should be very clear that discrimination based on the source of income is illegal.
  • Don’t forget about vendors and contractors! Anyone who could possibly interact with your residents should be informed of your company’s fair housing policy and asked to abide by fair housing laws.

It is important to remember that many states, cities, and municipalities have expanded fair housing protection to include additional protected classes. In addition to the source of income, these may include characteristics such as ancestry, marital status, age, military status, and student status.

Even if your area does not include some or all of these additional protections, all people should be treated fairly and equally – as a housing provider, that’s your responsibility!

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Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 5k+ votes
7y
Originally posted by @Marc Winter:

Even if your area does not include some or all of these additional protections, all people should be treated fairly and equally – as a housing provider, that’s your responsibility!

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Any time someone tells you what your responsibilities are above and beyond the law, the person telling you is usually a loser snowflake that couldn't make it in the real world. I'm 30 years old, have 100K in student loan debt, live with my parents, and write for an online blog, but let me pontificate the meaning of life to you...

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  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Alissa Engel:

    1. The inspections are delusional. 

    I saw this one in action (confirmed by both tenant and owner). Tenants move into fully renovated unit. A couple years later they complain that they don't like carpet and want the owner to install hardwood floors. Owner says no. Tenants call S8 and complain about the dirty carpet. This is the same carpet that was new when they moved in a couple years earlier, so all the dirt was caused by them. Within two weeks a S8 inspector comes out. Inspector agrees carpet is bad and orders it replaced. Inspector also noted window screen was broken and needs to be replaced, paint on kitchen cabinets was chipped and needs repainting, paint on multiple walls was chipped and needs repainting, and the garbage disposal was not in working order and needs to be fixed. All this was new when they moved in. 

    Owner tells inspector that the garbage disposal is not his and was installed by the tenants without permission so he won't be fixing it. Inspector doesn't care. It's a non-working appliance in the unit and the inspector is not signing off on the unit until it is fixed along with everything else. Yes, the owner had to fix the tenants property that was installed without approval in order to get S8 approval to start paying again.

  • Member since 2019 · 18 posts · 14 votes
    7y

    @Marc Winter

    This might be a dumb question, but why would a landlord need to disclose why they denied an applicant? So long as the landlord doesn’t step on the advertising landmines of any potentially discriminatory practices, I can’t imagine a situation where that would need to be disclosed.

  • Great Falls, MT · Member since 2017 · 97 posts · 172 votes
    7y

    @Greg M

    Exactly. I don’t like the government telling me how to manage my property.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Marilyn Cuevas in most states, if you deny a tenant you are required to send them a notice of adverse action, explaining why they were denied.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Alissa Engel not to be snarky, but when your tenant doesnt pay, im assuming that you'll want the government to intervene....

  • Rental Property Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2019 · 151 posts · 92 votes
    7y

    @Dennis M. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • Developer · . · Member since 2014 · 520 posts · 162 votes
    7y

    @Alissa Engel

    I hear you.  The program is not balanced.  Demand exceeds supply.  I have seen situations that @Greg M. describe. There are also services that will source and manage tenants for you (ex: Zeus, Bungalow) and guarantee rent. The other problem is that HUD guidelines are reinterpreted based on the area. I see that is part of the problem also.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Alissa Engel:

    @Shadonna N.

    The issue I see with S8 is twofold:

    1. The inspections are delusional. When I first became a LL at 21, I had the inspection done on my newly renovated duplex. Seriously, it was pretty darn nice, good neighborhood, and I was naively willing to give anyone a chance. They nit-picked the unit’s so badly....what they wanted would have cost 2K, and none of the improvements would have gotten me higher rents or added value to my property. The same day I received their “demand list”, I found a highly qualified military tenant. It became VERY clear to me that a nice property like mine will easily rent to great tenants. Why in hell would I jump through government hoops??

    2. I am also a mental health therapist. We learn in school that we have an ethical obligation to “give back” to the community and do some pro bono work. I totally agree as my $150/hr rate is simply not possible for some people. BUT we were also taught to never work for free, because people don’t appreciate free things. They become entitled and accustomed to getting whatever they want for free. I lower my rate to the point where it is affordable with some sacrifice on their end. They can pay me $25/hr AND as a result, they can’t buy their giant fountain pop from the gas station on the way, or a couple less packs of cigarettes, one less trip through the drive through, or no fancy nails this month. They must sacrifice to be there, or they will no-show appointments, be late, cancel a million times, or not do their homework....because they have nothing invested. THIS is the issue with S8. Many (not all) are not sacrificing for that voucher. The small amount they are required to pay is not a hardship. They become entitled and EXPECT the government entitlement. Entitlement is a disease, and it is spreading due to the way the program is set-up and run. That situation will always end poorly for the LL.

     wow.. spot on …  I know when I had 350 doors we had majority section 8 and just getting those folks to pay the co pay was a chore..

    the issue I saw with it most.. was just heavy living.. IE lots of kids and as we all know kids are rough on houses.. I know mine were you wake up one morning and your two year old took a sharpie to the wall..  

    then the other issue and again my experience but S8 in my markets was 95% female.. so you had the issue of baby daddies coming and going.. One just needs to be set up to deal with it.. but it can wear you out.. I sold out 5 years ago.. I simply did not think the juice was worth the squeeze .. your simply dealing with those that are in life long struggles to just live their life.. and while we can give back its hard when they trash your place and just up and move to the next unit.. and for all of those that work in an area were it would be common for the tenant to lose the voucher for non pay of their Portion or get kicked off because they were too rough on the unit.. well that never happened.. at least in the markets we were in.. 

    Now flip side I had a good portion that stayed for years.. but those were the minority and the others simply did not make up for it.

    Also I know where the attraction to Sec 8 is.. its the thought of guaranteed rent.. folks in those markets know that market renters are really tough.. so they take the lessor of two evils.  and they buy those houses in the first place thinking the returns are what meet their Criteria which said Criteria generally gets them in trouble after the fact.. they just have no clue.. but they want to buy things with very high returns.  Then wonder why they did it.. 

    some of the top TK providers over the years morphed out of Section 8 all together wont manage them.. and moved up to A nd B class and simply sell 5 to 8% return product and do it well..  WHY because as a PM you can actually make money when your not constantly chasing tenants and having to go to Hud inspections etc.. But these properties will just get traded and re traded like they have over the decades. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jason D.:

    @Alissa Engel not to be snarky, but when your tenant doesnt pay, im assuming that you'll want the government to intervene....

     Judiciary is different than government .. they are suppose to be neutral..  :)

  • Real Estate Agent · Miami, FL · Member since 2010 · 71 posts · 31 votes
    7y

    My understanding (based on conversations with local attorneys) is that you cannot deny tenancy based on the income source. You can have a fair level playing field application process that sets a base requirement for:

    Income amount- ex. 2.5-3 x rent per month

    Credit score minimum or credit criteria - ex. No late payments within last 24 months. Or 680 min score.

    Background - ex. no felony or misdemeanor within last 5 yrs.

    As long as ALL your tenant applicants are being graded on this SAME criteria then you are in compliance.

    Based on such a criteria you weed out most undesirable applicants.

    Again these are all examples. Local laws may vary.

    AO

  • Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    "DC Office of Human rights has fined plenty of people for telling prospective tenants that a unit will not pass a s8 inspection."

    ---------------------------------

    So don't tell the prospective tenant that the apartment won't pass inspection. Just tell them you're not in the program.

    My question is; Can you be compelled to enter the section 8 program, particularly if you are a large-scale landlord?

  • Real Estate Broker · Northeast PA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Alissa Engel,

    You are correct about the "entitlement" mentality, and it's no joke.  Some folks are trying; others are just gaming the system.  

    I'll never forget the time we showed a nice, clean unit to a 100% rent-paid Sec 8 voucher recipient who said, "I won't take this unit!  Where will I put my two big screen tv's and my custom furniture?  And besides, there's no off-street parking for my Escalade".

    True story.  Unfortunately.

  • Great Falls, MT · Member since 2017 · 97 posts · 172 votes
    7y

    @Jason D.

    I haven’t had that happen yet, but perhaps...

  • Member since 2018 · 259 posts · 159 votes
    7y

    @Jason D.

    Just to be clear, only required if denied based on Credit Report. (Reg Below)

    "An adverse action notice is to inform you that you have been denied credit, employment, insurance, or other benefits based on information in a credit report."

  • Rental Property Investor · Streetman, TX · Member since 2018 · 528 posts · 495 votes
    7y

    I was interested in buying a 4-plex that was under section 8 housing. Inspecting the units I noticed some units had dish washers and some didn’t. The property manager explained why. He said local section 8 housing allowance was $650 for 2BR/1BA. He said the rent was capped at that value and he couldn’t get more rent with a dishwasher. As a result they were just removing dishwashers and garbage disposals after they broke. It felt like a race to the bottom approach with no opportunity for value add or increased rents. No thank you, I passed.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Kelly DeWinter I believe it also applies to a criminal background check, but yes, definitely denials based on credit

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    Yes, there are source of income laws in some areas.  There are two ways to handle section 8 vouchers if you don't want them.  Have apartments that are above section 8 rent limits or don't get inspected for section 8 and let candidates know that is the case. 

    The problem with section 8 is a basic one,  tenants are required to contribute 1/3 of their income to rent. What motivation is there to improve their situation? get a better legal job? Illegal or under the table income sure but why move up in the world, take on more responsibility so they need to contribute more?  Now there are people who are at their maximum functional capacity  on section 8 but not nearly as many as those who have vouchers. It is a system like many that doesn't motivate the recipients. 

  • Real Estate Appraiser · Isabella lake, CA · Member since 2018 · 628 posts · 491 votes
    7y

    I didn't see lawyers mentioned as a protected class.

    Probably a very poor idea to say that's why I will not rent to you, though.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2017 · 439 posts · 578 votes
    7y

    I’m out on section 8. I’ve seen these properties get used and abused first hand on MANY (100s, maybe even 1000s by now) occasions. Have even heard comments about the state of the unit and why it’s in such filth because “the government pays for it. Not me.” Not saying that non voucher tenants don’t do the same but I’ll take the person that has a job, can pay out of pocket and then has additional income on top of that.

    Just be smart. The less you tell potential applicants, any anyone for that matter, the better.

  • HIGHLAND, MD · Member since 2011 · 160 posts · 141 votes
    7y

    @Marc Winter

    I have 13 renters and about half are section 8 tenants. Not sure about other markets but in the class B- to C- these are the best rents you can get. Everyone seems to have a problem with having a property that will pass the inspection. The guidelines for the section 8 inspections are very reasonable and basic. Although I have sometimes found inspectors “Nitpicky” it was almost never something that couldn’t easily be fixed. Let’s not all act like market tenants are so much better and don’t cause wear and tear because they have full time jobs. My typical tenant profile for a section 8 tenant is the same as market tenants, single mother with 1-2 children and they all act like little children. I have taken to some design, material selections so they hold up better and last longer between turns.

    The HUD system can be used against a tenant as they have guidelines they must abide by also, and when they break the rules they can get booted out of the program. This has happened to 3 of the previous tenants I had.

    In the end the character of a tenant in a certain rental class is more general to that class than it is

    Specifically section 8.

  • Real Estate Broker · Northeast PA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @BOB CRANEY.  I agree with you! 

    "Tenants is tenants".  Some good, some not so much.  The Sec 8 program has actually provided us with rents at or slightly above market rent after several annual rental increase requests.  

    So... I can't really complain, except that it kinda irks me when I realize who is actually paying for that rent???  For those who truly need the help, I'm thankful it is there for them.  For those gaming the system, well, not so much.

  • Real Estate Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2017 · 292 posts · 233 votes
    7y

    A++ Thread.  I've got just 1 rental, but i'm doing my homework.  This info is so valuable.   There's numerous books out there that really lay it out on the proper way to run your business.  It's easy to slip up every once in a while, but just treat people fairly and stick to your criteria with future tenants.  

    Like every business, there's a luxury segment, and a discount, $1 store version.  RE  isn't any different.  Different headaches for each segment, but having someone in your property that is 100% based on Gov. money ( Some one ELSE'S money...)  does really make you pause.   Why WOULD they truly treat it  respectfully ?  Cause it's the right thing to do?  That's not very motivating to them I would imagine  :(  

  • Developer · . · Member since 2014 · 520 posts · 162 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @BOB CRANEY:

    @Marc Winter

    I have 13 renters and about half are section 8 tenants. Not sure about other markets but in the class B- to C- these are the best rents you can get. Everyone seems to have a problem with having a property that will pass the inspection. The guidelines for the section 8 inspections are very reasonable and basic. Although I have sometimes found inspectors “Nitpicky” it was almost never something that couldn’t easily be fixed. Let’s not all act like market tenants are so much better and don’t cause wear and tear because they have full time jobs. My typical tenant profile for a section 8 tenant is the same as market tenants, single mother with 1-2 children and they all act like little children. I have taken to some design, material selections so they hold up better and last longer between turns.

    The HUD system can be used against a tenant as they have guidelines they must abide by also, and when they break the rules they can get booted out of the program. This has happened to 3 of the previous tenants I had.

    In the end the character of a tenant in a certain rental class is more general to that class than it is

    Specifically section 8.

    How did they get booted out of the program.  Did you initiate the violation?

  • HIGHLAND, MD · Member since 2011 · 160 posts · 141 votes
    7y

    One of them had unauthorized occupants (baby daddy and other family) repeatedly and thought she could get away with it. 

    Another was always on the edge of going under financially, even though Her portion of the rent was around $100 on a $1350 total rent. I can over one day to fix something that had failed on the recent inspection and found the power was cut off. She made some excuses about a misunderstanding about the payment to the Electric Utility company but it was BS. Come to find out she decided her new man was going to take care of her better than section 8 so they officially kicked her out for not keeping utilities on during her tenancy.

    Had another lady who said she wasn’t a smoker but turns out she lied. I don’t rent to smokers, who are not a protected class. While doing some service one day, I took pics of cigarette burns in the carpet and ashtrays hidden away full of cig butts. When the offending tenant heard my phone camera go off she came running in and flew into a tizzy, saying I violated her privacy and kicked me out. I filed termination paperwork with section 8 and she tried to deny it but I had proof. She was a real pain to get rid of and began a war of attrition by calling the local building inspector, and reporting a bunch of frivolous items which of course I had to answer. Eventually I was able to get her out and due to being evicted for a lease violation she got kicked out of the program. 

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