How much time do you spend owning and landlording per month?

How much time do you spend owning and landlording per month?

Peachtree City, GA · Member since 2013 · 60 posts · 1 vote

Considering all things related to landlording, how much time do you spend per month per property?

If you own multiple properties, please disregard economies of scale and try to estimate how much time you would spend on everything related to owning and landlording a single property.

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Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
13y

I have a tenant that I haven't talked to in about two years. I get the rent check on the first like clockwork. The husband has a job as a maintenance man and keeps the house up nice. The only time I spend on that house is stamping the back of the check, depositing it, and recording it in my Xcell spreadsheet which my wife calls the "nerd sheet". I have other houses that are more time consuming.

It's hard to answer your question. When you have a vacancy, you will spend a lot more time with showings, repairs, and paying utilities.

This is one of the only businesses that I know of where you make more money when work is slow. Right now, I have no vacancies. There is little to do, lots of rent comes in, and I don't have to pay any utilities, gas driving around, etc.

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  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    This depends ... on good months I spend 10 minutes driving to and from the bank to deposit the rent money. Other months I have to do some light maintenance so it may take an hour or two.

  • Investor · Kingwood, TX · Member since 2012 · 97 posts · 21 votes
    13y

    It will depend on the age of the house and the quality of your tenant. If you are picky picky for both, I am told the amount of time is pretty inconsequential. If your property is fling apart, or you have tenants who don't honor commitments, you could spend some time dealing with both of them. Some owners choose to do, or not to do certain things, so this can become what you want it to be. You can do the yard, require the tenant to, or outsource to a yard care crew. It's a little about the path you choose to follow. There is nothing you have to do that you didn't commit to up front.

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    I have a tenant that I haven't talked to in about two years. I get the rent check on the first like clockwork. The husband has a job as a maintenance man and keeps the house up nice. The only time I spend on that house is stamping the back of the check, depositing it, and recording it in my Xcell spreadsheet which my wife calls the "nerd sheet". I have other houses that are more time consuming.

    It's hard to answer your question. When you have a vacancy, you will spend a lot more time with showings, repairs, and paying utilities.

    This is one of the only businesses that I know of where you make more money when work is slow. Right now, I have no vacancies. There is little to do, lots of rent comes in, and I don't have to pay any utilities, gas driving around, etc.

  • Peachtree City, GA · Member since 2013 · 60 posts · 1 vote
    13y

    Thanks for the replies guys.

    To further clarify my question, I'm looking for the average, say, over the course of a few years (so that we capture some of the repairs, vacancies, move-ins, etc.) - including taking calls from tenants.

  • Real Estate Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2010 · 449 posts · 173 votes
    13y

    Brian W. - When occupied just an hour or two, every few months. When there is a vacancy, a good 15 hours or so, as we do a lot of the make-ready. We don't totally have our efficiency down yet for the make-ready...

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    13y

    Brian, you might change the question to what functions are necessary, how often are they required and the average time to perform? Age, size, rent level, location, market and government all influence the time required.

    Age is obvious and has been mentioned
    Size of the property, the bigger it is the more time to make ready
    Rent level, higher income tenants usually take less time to deal with
    Location, driving time, meeting tenants, repair trips
    Market, higher vacancy takes more attention, ads, applications, etc.
    Government influences, code requirements changing, the flavor of the courts and evictions and civic actions involving your property can chew up time.

    Each property is unique, each tenant is different, your time expensed will be a guess at best.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    13y

    I'd say that, on average, each property requires about 20 hours per year. A big chunk of that is turnover. I do showings once a week and try to get everyone there at once. Then the lease signing. A couple visits with the old tenant. Often a day of minor repairs.

    Once in a while there is some problem that needs to be dealt with. But that's often as simple as calling the right person. Examples: furnace not working, call furnace guy. Fridge not cooling. Call used appliance store. Drains clogged, call drain cleaner.

    I have tenants deposit the money themselves, so that's usually nothing more than a reminder text and checking the bank to see the money has appeared.

    Once a year I have to gather up and organize all the info to give to my CPA.

  • Deborah BurianPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
    13y

    Jon Holdman... so, pray tell... How do you have tenants deposit the money themselves?

    For the OP... except for tax season and turnovers (less than 5%), maybe an hour a month, mostly around banking and bookkeeping, the occasional phone call, and rare craziness.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    13y

    I give them deposit only ATM cards. That was suggested by the bank to a friend who's also a landlord. I think these cards are really intended for businesses where employees have to do deposits at the end of the day. There's some risk, of course, but for the most part it works fine.

  • Investor · Member since 2008 · 41 posts · 8 votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
    I give them deposit only ATM cards. That was suggested by the bank to a friend who's also a landlord. I think these cards are really intended for businesses where employees have to do deposits at the end of the day. There's some risk, of course, but for the most part it works fine.

    Is this with a major bank or a local bank?

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    Brian W.

    It varies a lot.

    1. Depends on age of the proerties, older properties require more work.
    2. Depends on what other work YOU are doing. Many LL do other things besides LL like renovations, rehab, flipping etc.
    3. Also depends if you have a non-real estate full time job. The less time you have available the less time you'll spend on LL.
    4. depnds on your tenant mix, some tenants are needy, can't change a light bulb. Other tenants can easily get along with never seeing or hearing from you. I had a tenant who self showed the place to himself before renting. (I left the door unlocked and when he called gave him instructions and directions.) He went and looked at it called be back, and by noon had signed a lease and paid me. He rented from me for the next 17 years and I never saw him again. Maybe talked to him 5 or 6 times in 17 years. I spent hardly any time on that rental.
    5. Whihc brings up another variable, vacancy and length of tenancy. The less vacancy you have the less work you'll have, you can write that one down.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Bill Robinson:
    Originally posted by Jon Holdman:
    I give them deposit only ATM cards. That was suggested by the bank to a friend who's also a landlord. I think these cards are really intended for businesses where employees have to do deposits at the end of the day. There's some risk, of course, but for the most part it works fine.

    Is this with a major bank or a local bank?

    Chase

  • Real Estate Investor · chicago, IL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 231 votes
    13y

    Another thing you can do to minimize your time involved is take out stuff that breaks down....garbage disposals, ceiling fans, etc and have them supply the washer and dryer. If I could get away with them supplying a dishwasher, stove and fridge, I would. And take out the sprayer too. Water is the ultimate enemy...besides the homeowner.

  • Peachtree City, GA · Member since 2013 · 60 posts · 1 vote
    13y
    Originally posted by Scott W.:
    Another thing you can do to minimize your time involved is take out stuff that breaks down....garbage disposals, ceiling fans, etc and have them supply the washer and dryer. If I could get away with them supplying a dishwasher, stove and fridge, I would. And take out the sprayer too. Water is the ultimate enemy...besides the homeowner.

    Fantastic advice Scott. Thanks a lot.

  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    I try never to supply appliances unless they come with the unit.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    It all depends on how you run your business. If you want little turnover and great long-term tenants then offer a little lower than market rents. I did this when working. When I retired I have been raising rents more aggressively and going through places more when vacant. Have also been doing much more myself and being present when any work is done. Last August I was at a unit every day for a month, went through it top to bottom.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    That's a very good question. I do my own maintenance so it's much more time consuming. Also don't forget updating quicken and the spreadsheet where the repair calls get recorded. I'd say 1-2 hrs per property. Maybe not even that much.

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    Scott W.

    There is a good book on eliminations in rentals, like ceiling fans, hose bibs, storm doors, doorbells etc.. the book is "Section 8 Bible
    Volu 1 & 2"

  • Real Estate Investor · chicago, IL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 231 votes
    13y

    Good book except I don't rent to section 8.. that would definitely add to my time in landlording

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    Scott W.

    doesn't only apply to Section 8, but more along the lines of eliminating things that break and need to be fixed.

  • Investor · Milford, CT · Member since 2012 · 592 posts · 285 votes
    13y

    All depends on whats going on, like some people mentioned about an hour invoicing and cashing checks if all is working good.

    If there is a vacancy, I would say 20-40hrs to clean and paint a unit.

    Up here in the Northeast folks generally do maintenance before and after winter. So maybe a half a Saturday spent in October and again in April.

    I have been averaging 1-2 visits a month just to walk the place and make sure all is working well. I have a good rapport with my tenants, actually give one of them $20 to cut the grass or clear out the snow. Saves me from doing small things around.

  • Real Estate Investor · Pensacola, FL · Member since 2013 · 10 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Rob K - I'd love to see your "nerd sheet"! :)

    If you are so inclined as to share it, would you mind emailing it to me? If not, no hard feelings.

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Charles Baisden I use a variety of spreadsheets. For income and expenses, I have one for each property. There are only four columns. The first has the date, second is for money coming in, third is for money going out, and last is a total. It's similar to a checkbook. Easy to set up. Many people here use Quickbooks. I'm not familiar with it, but I hear it's better. At any given time, I know to the penny how much of my money is sitting in a property or how much I've pulled out. If I purchase a house and have $20,000 into it when it's all said and done, the $20,000 figure will be in red to show that it's negative. Every month that rent comes in, that number will go down a little until eventually, the number is positive and turns black. That's what I like - when I've gotten all my money back from a house and everything else is gravy.

    For properties with mortgages, I have a spreadsheet to do an ammortization. At any given time I know how much is owed on a house. I also have a spreadsheets to record electric and gas bills on my primary house. If I needed to know how much my electric bill was in June, 2009, I could find out in about two seconds. I've also got spreadheets to keep track of my net worth, debt, monthly rent totals, schedule of real estate owned, etc.

    I can send you mine if you want, but I think you would be better to make your own so they are custom to what you need. I'm old school and they are probably not as efficient as Quickbooks. If you know how to run Excel, you can set up your own in minutes and fine tune them. I'm a huge Excel fan, but I've been using it since the 90's.

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