Landlord Dilemma: Sell Or Hold in This Market

Landlord Dilemma: Sell Or Hold in This Market

Pesi S.Pro Member
Lawrenceville, NJ 路 Member since 2017 路 23 posts 路 1 vote

Wanted to get some feedback from landlords if they are seeing the same effects in this weird market since Covid started and what are they doing.

On one hand the home prices have increased quite a bit. On the other hand the property taxes, insurance and especially the repair & maintenance costs due to tenants at home all day, shortages etc. due to Covid have also increased significantly and townships have also seized on this opportunity for raising property taxes. Rents have not kept pace with the proportion of the increase in expenses and prices. It's a dilemma as raising rents beyond a reasonable point (3%) for existing good and long time tenants creates risk of good tenants leaving and then you lose rent for a average of 1-2 months plus expenses in getting house ready, finding tenant, paying referral fees etc. which negates the increase in rent unless you are in the top A class properties.

Also when home prices come down which they most likely will at some point, these  expenses of property taxes, insurance and the maintenance costs will not come down. On one hand it seems like the best time to sell the property if you have made good gains. However selling involves close to 8-10% of price (commission, update house , closing, township transfer tax) and after that big taxes of capital gains and the depreciation recapture & other taxes which take a huge chunk out of the profit (at least 30-40%). 1031 exchange is also difficult in this type of market where you sell high and buy high if you can find something comparable.

Also after selling what does one do for investment. If you purchased something for $100K and sold for $150K and then later when market drops in future you purchase again for say $120K would it be really  worth it after going through all the expenses and effort of  buying and selling.

Seems like a tough dilemma for landlords unless you forget about ups and downs and hold forever. Also with the Govt having the stepped up basis where you could pass the property to your children without the tax burden in their sights for elimination of the tax benefit does this strategy also hold good ?

Thank you.

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Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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Real Estate Broker 路 Cody, WY 路 Member since 2010 路 28k+ posts 路 41k+ votes
5y

I think it's a mistake to sell just because the sales market is hot. If you sell for top dollar, you'll be forced to buy at top dollar. Don't get stuck playing that game because there's a high risk of making a mistake.

If your investment is performing well, keep it. If your returns are not doing well, consider selling and buying something that provides a better return. But don't sell just because sales prices are high. That's an emotional decision.

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  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor 路 Shelton, WA 路 Member since 2017 路 6k+ posts 路 6k+ votes
    5y

    We have been raising rents conservatively for existing tenants and whole lot more for turnovers so not worried about tax increases and higher maintenance costs etc. What we do worry about is the constant interference by city, state and federal buroracies. The death tax is a concern, but a bigger concern is the government screwing with the business. Some places you can't do background checks and credit checks are racist they say. 

  • Investor 路 Malakoff, TX 路 Member since 2017 路 2k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    5y

    No big negative effects from Covid (other than high lumber prices). Property values and rents increasing. That's in my market (East TX). I'm BRRRing as fast as I can get the renovations completed. My sympathies to people in tenant friendly areas.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Troy 路 Member since 2017 路 175 posts 路 271 votes
    5y

    I am holding all my properties even though I've been offered.  Not only that, friends and family (all w-2's) are telling me to sell and "get a real job".  Yeah...

    Seems like most people can only see the 100 bucks right in front of them and forget that it's $1/day in the long run will earn many more 100 bucks.  But what do I know?  I don't even have a "real job".

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker 路 Cody, WY 路 Member since 2010 路 28k+ posts 路 41k+ votes
    5y

    I think it's a mistake to sell just because the sales market is hot. If you sell for top dollar, you'll be forced to buy at top dollar. Don't get stuck playing that game because there's a high risk of making a mistake.

    If your investment is performing well, keep it. If your returns are not doing well, consider selling and buying something that provides a better return. But don't sell just because sales prices are high. That's an emotional decision.

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  • Rental Property Investor 路 Troy 路 Member since 2017 路 175 posts 路 271 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

    I think it's a mistake to sell just because the sales market is hot. If you sell for top dollar, you'll be forced to buy at top dollar. Don't get stuck playing that game because there's a high risk of making a mistake.

    If your investment is performing well, keep it. If your returns are not doing well, consider selling and buying something that provides a better return. But don't sell just because sales prices are high. That's an emotional decision.

     This is a very good answer.  I would like to add another dimension to it.

    I have spent the last few years looking for good tenants.  I am now at 100% occupancy rate and 100% consistent monthly payment.  Wasn't easy.  If I sell now at a higher price, I will have to buy at a higher price and I will have to start over finding good tenants who don't eff me over because of some moratorium.

  • Investor 路 Greenville, SC 路 Member since 2016 路 5k+ posts 路 13k+ votes
    5y

    No dilemma - rising values and rents are a good thing!

  • Member since 2018 路 88 posts 路 43 votes
    5y

    If you intend on selling, selling in a sellers market...is what you should do. But are we at the top now? I think so..feels like it, but it's way too early to tell...and I don't think you should invest based on feelings, but sometime that's all ya got. 馃槅馃槃

  • Pesi S.Pro Member
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    Lawrenceville, NJ 路 Member since 2017 路 23 posts 路 1 vote
    5y

    Thank you all for the feedback. The consensus it seems is that folks are holding on and not in a hurry to sell even in a strong sellers market. That brings a question as to when does a real estate investor actually decide to sell and lock in his gains like you do in other investments ?

    Also how much cash flow (Rent-Mortgage-All other expenses) should one aim for which makes the investment worthwhile to continue with ?. Is there a minimum/optimal cash flow % range ? 

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