Hvac guys don't like to install gas boilers from home depot

Hvac guys don't like to install gas boilers from home depot

Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 60 posts · 16 votes

Hi All, I have a rental house that needs a gas boiler installed. It is a single family about 1000 square feet. It had a old oil boiler now putting in a gas boiler, using a new electric water heater for hot water. Hvac contractors are giving me estimates of $11,000. I can finance the boiler through my home depot credit card for one year. Some hvac contractors don't like to install gas boilers from home depot because there say there are issues with resolving warranty issues. I have been told williamson boilers are good. The house is in north jersey which has cold winters. Any feedback?

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Bruce WoodruffPro Member
Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
5y

Speaking from a Contr's point of view, I would not want to install anything that a homeowner purchased. a) I lose out on the material mark-up, b) if there is a failure, you're going to call the Contr regardless, right? So now he has to deal with something he didn't choose or make any $$ on, c) It's giving the customer too much control/input into the process.

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  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    5y

    Speaking from a Contr's point of view, I would not want to install anything that a homeowner purchased. a) I lose out on the material mark-up, b) if there is a failure, you're going to call the Contr regardless, right? So now he has to deal with something he didn't choose or make any $$ on, c) It's giving the customer too much control/input into the process.

  • Real Estate Broker · Watertown, NY · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Mark Berge - My HVAC contractors don't like using Home depot systems because they don't stock the parts needed to fix it if something happens.   We use a place like R.E Michels instead

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 60 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Thanks for the input. If I have the hvac contractor buy and install the gas boiler, I would like to finance it. I have just recently fixed the front stoop $3k, new roof that was leaking $11k. One contractor suggested a local small bank for financing the boiler and install. This is my first rental property so I am learning. 

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 60 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    I just googled re michels. They mention a credit application. I am going to call them to inquire.

  • Contractor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2021 · 64 posts · 57 votes
    5y

    Why not have a weekend plumber give you a labor only price?

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Zee Abbas:

    Why not have a weekend plumber give you a labor only price?

     By 'weekend plumber' you do mean a licensed one, right....? Not an employee doing illegal side-work.....? :-)

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 60 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    I think I'd rather use a licensed hvac contractor. This is natural gas and if not done right could be dangerous. On the other hand installing a electric water heater is not as complicated but also has to be done right. That's why I used a licensed electrician to put in the line and a licensed plumber to install the new electric water heater. I have used the plumber before and they are not cheap but they do good work for the most part.

  • Real Estate Broker · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Depending on your area boilers may not be common.  I know locally (SE MI) most HVAC guys don't work on them because they don't know them well.  Have to find a contractor that can tinker with them.  They are expensive though that is for sure.  Sometimes it is a wash to install vents and a forced air furnace and that is much easier for a tenant and contractors to deal with generally speaking.  

  • Investor · Vancouver · Member since 2021 · 165 posts · 137 votes
    5y

    As an hvac contractor, this is very simple.

    You buy it, you warranty it when it breaks.

    I buy it, i warranty it when it breaks.

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2018 · 432 posts · 281 votes
    5y

    They don't want to lose their markup. Everything else is bologna. 

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2018 · 432 posts · 281 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Mark Berge:

    I think I'd rather use a licensed hvac contractor. This is natural gas and if not done right could be dangerous. On the other hand installing a electric water heater is not as complicated but also has to be done right. That's why I used a licensed electrician to put in the line and a licensed plumber to install the new electric water heater. I have used the plumber before and they are not cheap but they do good work for the most part.

     Plumbers and pipefitters do boilers. If you go to a general HVAC company, you will pay extra. Big companies can be cheaper when they send out their low level techs to do most work, but they're more expensive when they're sending out their good guys because they have higher overhead plus the labor for the experienced guys. 

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2018 · 432 posts · 281 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bruce Woodruff:
    Originally posted by @Zee Abbas:

    Why not have a weekend plumber give you a labor only price?

     By 'weekend plumber' you do mean a licensed one, right....? Not an employee doing illegal side-work.....? :-)

     My favorite electrician is full-time employed commercially. He works odd hours, and I don't care. 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Genny Li:

    My favorite electrician is full-time employed commercially. He works odd hours, and I don't care. 

     But does he have his own Contrs license? Because if he doesn't, everything and everyone involved is illegal and subject to issues down the road.....

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2018 · 432 posts · 281 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bruce Woodruff:
    Originally posted by @Genny Li:

    My favorite electrician is full-time employed commercially. He works odd hours, and I don't care. 

     But does he have his own Contrs license? Because if he doesn't, everything and everyone involved is illegal and subject to issues down the road.....

     This isn't for a flip but for my "forever home" (because my husband's job opportunities are basically here regionally and almost nowhere else).  So, who's to say who did what work when?  The heavy up will be with a licensed contractor.

    I live in a state where licensing is kinda a racket and I come from one without licensing at all, so I'm a bit curmudgeonly, I admit.  I know the risk. I take it.

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