HOAs are dictatorships, stay away from them!

HOAs are dictatorships, stay away from them!

Jorge VazquezBusiness Member
Real Estate Broker · Tampa, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 679 votes

I've never had a good experience dealing with anything tied to an association long-term. After doing this for 20 years and doing 3,000 transactions, I realized that most associations have too much control and have the power to increase fees when they please, making it very hard to determine what your actual cash flow will be long term. I advise against buying condos or anything with HOA fees, relying on the collective financial status to upkeep the property's common areas.

Trust me. I have experience with a previous market crash where the rest of the owners stopped paying, and my fees quadrupled. But the maintenance of the common areas got worst. And the worst part is that I had no saying on the matter. To make it worse, they put a clause on the bylaws that they have the first right of refusal. Still, at the same time, they refuse to buy my condo, putting me in a very tough situation where I had to foreclose on the apartment to find out later that they picked up the property at the foreclosure court for pennies.

If you're concerned about repairs, don't be. It is a massive part of the business, and you have to learn how to deal with them head-on. The quicker you get used to it, the faster you realize it's not a big deal. It will prepare you for the next-level stuff you are going to do. As long as you have a professional management team and you have professionally inspected your property where all "4 points" are in good shape, you'll be fine!

Summary:

In the end, if every owner stops paying the fees, you don't want to be left inside a sinking ship at that moment; it is too late. It is a myth that collective long-term maintenance of your property repairs will be better than doing it yourself. Nobody will take care of your property as well as yourself! I advise going with a single-family home or even a duplex detach from any homeowner association when possible.

Bonus:

In a buyers market, when you need a buyer the most!!!!

Most people renting an apartment are in a transitional period and have no plans of buying the condo, even if you offer owner financing. Most people that are renting from an apartment complex are in a transitional period. They will likely never buy your condo but will consider a house even if the value has gone down a little.

I hope this helps!!

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
5y

I prefer properties in HOAs. 

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  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    5y

    I prefer properties in HOAs. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Rochester Hills, MI · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Some are, some aren't and some are in between.  Saying they all are is a gross generalization.  For the most part my experience is the direct opposite of yours.  

  • Rental Property Investor · RVA · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    I have a property with an HOA right now and am on the board. I wish we had the kind of power that people think we do. Problem tenants that we can't do anything about, owners who don't clean up after their dogs in common areas, etc. If anything I think the main reason not to is because you do not have control over the entire property.

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    5y

    For condos, if you have a good board, it is a good thing. For houses, I'd never want to live in a place with an HOA. Part of the reason of having your own home is to do what you want.

  • Baltimore, MD · Member since 2018 · 431 posts · 281 votes
    5y

    Run for the board and make sure it's run responsibly. :) I lived in an unincorporated area, so the HOA maintained the community playground. That's not bad!

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    @Jorge Vazquez They are fiefdoms and the issue is they are a way for people to avoid dealing with their neighbors and  to overlay more restrictions on local code.  You don't have to knock on the neighbors door and say hey you're being too loud, etc.    You report everything to the board and the board sends anonymous notices.   I got a notice in a condo that the music was loud all week and it was a noise violation.  I wasn't playing any music, I was sitting working on my computer and there was no noise.  The  ruler of the board  down the hall insisted it had to be our unit. And it was really just her trying to cause trouble.  She threw out some little kids bike because it didn't have a tag, sees the kid riding it around but tossed it anyway. Basketball hoop breaks replacement is on hold because she apparently doesn't like people playing basketball.  

    In AZ we specifically looked for a house without an HOA, I never thought single families had HOAs, never saw it in the northeast and I really never had a problem. The town will say if the grass is too tall or the snow isn't shoveled and you can paint your house whatever color you want. What else do you need an HOA for?

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