Rent decline in Denver? Seasonal or will it continue into spring

Rent decline in Denver? Seasonal or will it continue into spring

Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 52 posts · 42 votes

I have been researching rent prices in Denver(Primarily west of 25) and it seems like listing are staying on Craigslist, Zillow, and Facebook marketplace for quite some time.  I'm not sure if this is just seasonal or if this is going to become the new norm along with increase in vacancy rates while it takes more time to fill rentals.  I am currently under contract on a single family 4/3 in Lakewood that I plan to house hack that also needs updating. I have been lowering my expected rents based on the competition I am seeing.  I am also asking myself about the chance of rent and value depreciation on this house over the next 2 years and if it is still a smart purchase while I have time to walk away from it.  I still have positive long term outlook on the Denver real estate market.

Some background: I moved here from Oakland in May 2019 and found a room for rent in Wheat Ridge for $900/month +utilities in a 3bed/3bath SFR with key amenities I was looking for that include private bath, garage for my motorcycles and storage bins and easy street parking for my truck. Without going crazy, it seemed like the best option at the time. Now as we enter January 2020, I am unsure if the room I rent could command $900/month. I will need to sublet my room if/when I move out to finish my 1 year lease.

I have always been curious if Denver rents and home values will be negatively affected by all of the new build, higher density, apartment buildings, condos/townhomes/modern 4plex/duplexes that are taking over Denver and more specifically the areas I in interested in living that include Highlands to east Wheat Ridge, Sloan Lake, Villa Park, anywhere along the light rail, West Colfax areas, etc.

I am now seeing room for rent at $1200/month or less for a private room and private bath in some of these new builds on craigslist.  My guess is people are trying to subsidize some of their mortgage and still pay $1500-$2000/month themselves but not aggressively house hack mortgage free. I also reading articles about the new apartment buildings offering better concessions to get people to move in sooner.

One article says that projections starting in January 2019 for the next 30 months Denver should have 30,000 new apartments available.  I am still seeing a ton of new construction in various phases of completion as we end 2019.

I have read a number of articles online and pulled a couple quotes and links below.  Let me know your thoughts and if you have any strategies for your rentals.  

Are you planning for rent depreciation when you run your numbers?  

Looking forward to hearing everyones input!

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/04/denver-rent-growth-slowing/

"In its most recent Denver Rent Report, Apartment List tracked a 0.1% decline in median rents for Denver proper from October to November. The median rate for a one-bedroom last month was $1,069 and a median two-bedroom was renting for $1,353 per month.  It’s the third straight month of declines after the peak summer rental season."

"Denver rents have risen 0.7% since November 2018. In Colorado as a whole, rents have risen 1.6% on average over that same period and nationally average rent has risen 1.4%, according to Apartment List. Denver’s rent increases are trailing the rate of inflation in the metro area, which the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics tracked at 2.7% year-over-year in October."

https://denverluxuryrentals.com/blog/17646/Is-the-Denver-Rental-Market-Going-to-Bust-Statistics-and-Other-Important-Information-For-Your-Investment-Property-

  • - Denver is 2nd Largest in Apartment building construction, per capita in the U.S.
  • - In 2017, 13,348 apartments came onto the market
  • - In 2018, the first three quarters delivered 8,448 units in the Denver metro area. There is a delay due to construction backups.
  • - In 2019, projections call for 30,000 apartments over the next 30 months.
  • - 33% of apartments communities are high-end buildings.
  • - 1 out of 7 downtown units come with the concession of one-month free rent
  • - Average apartment and privately owned rental rates have decreased the 3rd Quarter

https://www.financialsamurai.com/time-to-start-worrying-about-the-housing-market-again/

I think this whole article is interesting but here's a quote anyways

"Things To Know Before Buying Property Now

1) Rents have softened from peak levels in many of the most expensive cities. Given property prices are a function of rental income multiples, a real estate buyer should be looking to buy at similar pricing discounts from peak rental periods. For example, research whatever comparable New York property you want to buy today that was sold for in March 2016 and aim to buy at a 14.8% discount to the March 2016 price because that’s how much rent prices are down.

In 2017 I experienced softening rents first hand when I tried to find replacement tenants for my SF rental house at a similar rent of $9,000 a month. After 45 days of aggressive marketing, I only got two offers, both for $7,500 (-16.7%). I even hired a rental listing agent for two weeks to find people for at least $8,000 and he failed. As a result, I sold. Pricing pressure starts at the most expensive markets and works its way down. The large supply of condos in many expensive cities has really put a damper on rents and housing prices."

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Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2019 · 45 posts · 44 votes
6y
Originally posted by @Scott Hibbert:

I have been researching rent prices in Denver(Primarily west of 25) and it seems like listing are staying on Craigslist, Zillow, and Facebook marketplace for quite some time.  I'm not sure if this is just seasonal or if this is going to become the new norm along with increase in vacancy rates while it takes more time to fill rentals.  I am currently under contract on a single family 4/3 in Lakewood that I plan to house hack that also needs updating. I have been lowering my expected rents based on the competition I am seeing.  I am also asking myself about the chance of rent and value depreciation on this house over the next 2 years and if it is still a smart purchase while I have time to walk away from it.  I still have positive long term outlook on the Denver real estate market.

Some background: I moved here from Oakland in May 2019 and found a room for rent in Wheat Ridge for $900/month +utilities in a 3bed/3bath SFR with key amenities I was looking for that include private bath, garage for my motorcycles and storage bins and easy street parking for my truck. Without going crazy, it seemed like the best option at the time. Now as we enter January 2020, I am unsure if the room I rent could command $900/month. I will need to sublet my room if/when I move out to finish my 1 year lease.

I have always been curious if Denver rents and home values will be negatively affected by all of the new build, higher density, apartment buildings, condos/townhomes/modern 4plex/duplexes that are taking over Denver and more specifically the areas I in interested in living that include Highlands to east Wheat Ridge, Sloan Lake, Villa Park, anywhere along the light rail, West Colfax areas, etc.

I am now seeing room for rent at $1200/month or less for a private room and private bath in some of these new builds on craigslist.  My guess is people are trying to subsidize some of their mortgage and still pay $1500-$2000/month themselves but not aggressively house hack mortgage free. I also reading articles about the new apartment buildings offering better concessions to get people to move in sooner.

One article says that projections starting in January 2019 for the next 30 months Denver should have 30,000 new apartments available.  I am still seeing a ton of new construction in various phases of completion as we end 2019.

I have read a number of articles online and pulled a couple quotes and links below.  Let me know your thoughts and if you have any strategies for your rentals.  

Are you planning for rent depreciation when you run your numbers?  

Looking forward to hearing everyones input!

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/04/denver-rent-growth-slowing/

"In its most recent Denver Rent Report, Apartment List tracked a 0.1% decline in median rents for Denver proper from October to November. The median rate for a one-bedroom last month was $1,069 and a median two-bedroom was renting for $1,353 per month.  It’s the third straight month of declines after the peak summer rental season."

"Denver rents have risen 0.7% since November 2018. In Colorado as a whole, rents have risen 1.6% on average over that same period and nationally average rent has risen 1.4%, according to Apartment List. Denver’s rent increases are trailing the rate of inflation in the metro area, which the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics tracked at 2.7% year-over-year in October."

https://denverluxuryrentals.com/blog/17646/Is-the-Denver-Rental-Market-Going-to-Bust-Statistics-and-Other-Important-Information-For-Your-Investment-Property-

  • - Denver is 2nd Largest in Apartment building construction, per capita in the U.S.
  • - In 2017, 13,348 apartments came onto the market
  • - In 2018, the first three quarters delivered 8,448 units in the Denver metro area. There is a delay due to construction backups.
  • - In 2019, projections call for 30,000 apartments over the next 30 months.
  • - 33% of apartments communities are high-end buildings.
  • - 1 out of 7 downtown units come with the concession of one-month free rent
  • - Average apartment and privately owned rental rates have decreased the 3rd Quarter

https://www.financialsamurai.com/time-to-start-worrying-about-the-housing-market-again/

I think this whole article is interesting but here's a quote anyways

"Things To Know Before Buying Property Now

1) Rents have softened from peak levels in many of the most expensive cities. Given property prices are a function of rental income multiples, a real estate buyer should be looking to buy at similar pricing discounts from peak rental periods. For example, research whatever comparable New York property you want to buy today that was sold for in March 2016 and aim to buy at a 14.8% discount to the March 2016 price because that’s how much rent prices are down.

In 2017 I experienced softening rents first hand when I tried to find replacement tenants for my SF rental house at a similar rent of $9,000 a month. After 45 days of aggressive marketing, I only got two offers, both for $7,500 (-16.7%). I even hired a rental listing agent for two weeks to find people for at least $8,000 and he failed. As a result, I sold. Pricing pressure starts at the most expensive markets and works its way down. The large supply of condos in many expensive cities has really put a damper on rents and housing prices."

Great topic. I’m following this same investment path as my first deal and have similar concerns.

I do feel as though the strong underlying economy in Denver creates great long term prospects for appriciation and rent increase, despite the short term but very likley threat of depreciation.

However I don’t think slowdown in rent should push you out of the deal. The main reason to get into a house hack is to eliminate your housing expense, especially in an expensive city like Denver, cashflow and appreciation are secondary when it comes to house hacking. In a years time, you’ll get all your money back + your loan pay down, and you’ll be in a much better position to invest more aggressively.


So I would also say that as long as your coming close to living for free, and your house hack can cash flow by the room after you move out, your hedged against any potential short term depreciation as the market starts to adjust.

On the question of rooms being harder to fill and cheaper to rent, have you had any luck with tenants since you posted? maybe try some other marketplaces like roomster? Or marketing for medium term rentals on Furnished Finder?

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  • Member since 2019 · 85 posts · 26 votes
    6y

    My two cents is that for SFR it's just seasonal. The SFR rental market will continue its strong upward trajectory in 2020 ( and probably beyond).

    The jury is still out for multi/condos/apartments as Denver continues to absorb all of the new inventory that has been added (and continues to be added) to the market. 

  • Realtor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    December is a rough time to get a tenant. Why not post a CL ad with some basic info to see what hits you get? Your house location is something to consider too when looking at demand. Villa Park is different than Sloans, Wheat Ridge, etc when it comes to pricing.  

    As long as rates stay low, appreciation will chug along just fine. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2019 · 45 posts · 44 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Scott Hibbert:

    I have been researching rent prices in Denver(Primarily west of 25) and it seems like listing are staying on Craigslist, Zillow, and Facebook marketplace for quite some time.  I'm not sure if this is just seasonal or if this is going to become the new norm along with increase in vacancy rates while it takes more time to fill rentals.  I am currently under contract on a single family 4/3 in Lakewood that I plan to house hack that also needs updating. I have been lowering my expected rents based on the competition I am seeing.  I am also asking myself about the chance of rent and value depreciation on this house over the next 2 years and if it is still a smart purchase while I have time to walk away from it.  I still have positive long term outlook on the Denver real estate market.

    Some background: I moved here from Oakland in May 2019 and found a room for rent in Wheat Ridge for $900/month +utilities in a 3bed/3bath SFR with key amenities I was looking for that include private bath, garage for my motorcycles and storage bins and easy street parking for my truck. Without going crazy, it seemed like the best option at the time. Now as we enter January 2020, I am unsure if the room I rent could command $900/month. I will need to sublet my room if/when I move out to finish my 1 year lease.

    I have always been curious if Denver rents and home values will be negatively affected by all of the new build, higher density, apartment buildings, condos/townhomes/modern 4plex/duplexes that are taking over Denver and more specifically the areas I in interested in living that include Highlands to east Wheat Ridge, Sloan Lake, Villa Park, anywhere along the light rail, West Colfax areas, etc.

    I am now seeing room for rent at $1200/month or less for a private room and private bath in some of these new builds on craigslist.  My guess is people are trying to subsidize some of their mortgage and still pay $1500-$2000/month themselves but not aggressively house hack mortgage free. I also reading articles about the new apartment buildings offering better concessions to get people to move in sooner.

    One article says that projections starting in January 2019 for the next 30 months Denver should have 30,000 new apartments available.  I am still seeing a ton of new construction in various phases of completion as we end 2019.

    I have read a number of articles online and pulled a couple quotes and links below.  Let me know your thoughts and if you have any strategies for your rentals.  

    Are you planning for rent depreciation when you run your numbers?  

    Looking forward to hearing everyones input!

    https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/04/denver-rent-growth-slowing/

    "In its most recent Denver Rent Report, Apartment List tracked a 0.1% decline in median rents for Denver proper from October to November. The median rate for a one-bedroom last month was $1,069 and a median two-bedroom was renting for $1,353 per month.  It’s the third straight month of declines after the peak summer rental season."

    "Denver rents have risen 0.7% since November 2018. In Colorado as a whole, rents have risen 1.6% on average over that same period and nationally average rent has risen 1.4%, according to Apartment List. Denver’s rent increases are trailing the rate of inflation in the metro area, which the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics tracked at 2.7% year-over-year in October."

    https://denverluxuryrentals.com/blog/17646/Is-the-Denver-Rental-Market-Going-to-Bust-Statistics-and-Other-Important-Information-For-Your-Investment-Property-

    • - Denver is 2nd Largest in Apartment building construction, per capita in the U.S.
    • - In 2017, 13,348 apartments came onto the market
    • - In 2018, the first three quarters delivered 8,448 units in the Denver metro area. There is a delay due to construction backups.
    • - In 2019, projections call for 30,000 apartments over the next 30 months.
    • - 33% of apartments communities are high-end buildings.
    • - 1 out of 7 downtown units come with the concession of one-month free rent
    • - Average apartment and privately owned rental rates have decreased the 3rd Quarter

    https://www.financialsamurai.com/time-to-start-worrying-about-the-housing-market-again/

    I think this whole article is interesting but here's a quote anyways

    "Things To Know Before Buying Property Now

    1) Rents have softened from peak levels in many of the most expensive cities. Given property prices are a function of rental income multiples, a real estate buyer should be looking to buy at similar pricing discounts from peak rental periods. For example, research whatever comparable New York property you want to buy today that was sold for in March 2016 and aim to buy at a 14.8% discount to the March 2016 price because that’s how much rent prices are down.

    In 2017 I experienced softening rents first hand when I tried to find replacement tenants for my SF rental house at a similar rent of $9,000 a month. After 45 days of aggressive marketing, I only got two offers, both for $7,500 (-16.7%). I even hired a rental listing agent for two weeks to find people for at least $8,000 and he failed. As a result, I sold. Pricing pressure starts at the most expensive markets and works its way down. The large supply of condos in many expensive cities has really put a damper on rents and housing prices."

    Great topic. I’m following this same investment path as my first deal and have similar concerns.

    I do feel as though the strong underlying economy in Denver creates great long term prospects for appriciation and rent increase, despite the short term but very likley threat of depreciation.

    However I don’t think slowdown in rent should push you out of the deal. The main reason to get into a house hack is to eliminate your housing expense, especially in an expensive city like Denver, cashflow and appreciation are secondary when it comes to house hacking. In a years time, you’ll get all your money back + your loan pay down, and you’ll be in a much better position to invest more aggressively.


    So I would also say that as long as your coming close to living for free, and your house hack can cash flow by the room after you move out, your hedged against any potential short term depreciation as the market starts to adjust.

    On the question of rooms being harder to fill and cheaper to rent, have you had any luck with tenants since you posted? maybe try some other marketplaces like roomster? Or marketing for medium term rentals on Furnished Finder?

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 52 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @John Mayer I haven't made any room for rent postings yet to test the interest which is good because I backed out of the property after the inspection and reviewing the HOA minutes where they are in the middle of a vote to not allow long term rental other than owner occupied. They have already added a bylaw that doesn't allow short term rentals and investor purchases.

    I am however under contract on another place that I think will be smoother since there isn't an HOA and it was built at the end of 2016.

    I agree with long term positive outlook on Denver which is why I am trying to buy now.  I think it will be interesting to revisit this topic in a few months to see if the average rents have changed due to seasonality, similar to home prices where there is less competition in December and January than there is in May and June.

    Assuming I close on this new property that I have under contract, I will update this thread with the outcome of rents.

  • Specialist · Denver, CO · Member since 2018 · 40 posts · 35 votes
    6y
    My experience says it is seasonal.  VF is moving a couple hundred more employees to Denver this summer so we should experience another great rental summer like last year.
  • Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2019 · 45 posts · 44 votes
    6y

    @Account Closed that's some great intel. Is that something you discovered through research or your own connections?

  • Specialist · Denver, CO · Member since 2018 · 40 posts · 35 votes
    6y

    @John Mayer  I use Google Alerts and follow the term "Denver Relocation"

  • Craig CurelopBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Post Falls, ID · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Scott Hibbert - I don't think I realized you moved back to Denver? Nice man! 

    Right now, is literally the WORST time to get a tenant. I would recommend dropping your price just to get the place filled and put them on 3-5 month leases (or even month to month). Then once the summer hits try to refill the place at the higher rate. 

    Overall, I do feel as though rents are not increasing at the rate of home prices. Though, that makes sense. Home prices are increasing and people are still willing and able to purchase a property. Once that shifts and people are no longer willing or able to purchase homes, the rental pool will increase and so will potential rents. 

    Sounds like you are buying in a great area. As long as you are cash flowing and can hold on through any sort of downturn, you'll have a hard time convincing me that you will be worse off with this deal. 

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 52 posts · 42 votes
    6y

    @Craig Curelop Ya I moved back in May.  The Bay Area was fun but unaffordable.  Happy to be back in CO.  Thanks for your insights and idea of going short term month to month rental to start.  As of right now I am set to close on a 4 bed/4bath half duplex 1.5 miles north of Olde Town Arvada in mid February and planning to start renting rooms March 1.

    @Account Closed I'm actually apart of the VF relocation from the Bay area.  This summer should bring a few more people to Denver but the bulk of the relocation took place Summer 2019.

  • Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Scott Hibbert, great initial post, thanks for the level of detail.  Best of luck in your endeavors.  

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