LF Lakewood Ohio Duplex House Hack - Price Insanity

LF Lakewood Ohio Duplex House Hack - Price Insanity

Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 2 votes

Hello all,

Vet looking to buy a duplex in Lakewood with VA loan and house hack for two years. I like Lakewood, I'd like to buy here. Been looking seriously for over a year, and the pricing and competition is outrageous. House after house, I see people paying over 250k, (now closer to 300 for some mid north western ones) for duplexes that pull in $1600 / $1800 rent for both units combined, while paying 5k a year in property tax to boot!

They sell in hours of being listed, often multiple offers, though only a quarter are cash. Nothing decent lasts a day.

These are generic run of the mill 900 sq ft Lakewood duplexes with cosmetic rehab Painted white Home Depot cabinets and the grey wall white trim paint job, microscopic bath rooms, often maintenance issues, etc that sold for 135k three / four years ago.

Can someone please explain to me what the heck is going on?  For a single family I get it, it’s home, it’s for your standard of living, kids, school.  These duplex prices, though I just can’t seem to make the math make any sense, as the rents do not (seem to) support these high 200k sale prices. 

I'm not trying to make a killing but I feel like I'm dumping 40k down a hole if I jump into one of these multiple offer situations, which almost every single one is, and it'll set my ROI back years.

Any enlightenment would be amazing and sincerely appreciated. I am baffled and frustrated. 

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Rick PrudhommePro Member
Investor · Blacklick, OH · Member since 2017 · 18 posts · 23 votes
6y

Dan,

  We own multiple duplexes in Lakewood and have one under contract at $135,000 now. It takes time and diligence to find the one for you. Look for ones that need some work, that's where you can really add value and equity. Also I see a look of rents well below market. You should be able to get $950-$1,050 for a 2 bedroom in Lakewood.

Rick

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  • Steven TaylorPro Member
    Investor · Lorain, OH · Member since 2016 · 78 posts · 47 votes
    6y

    @Dan Mahoney

    That is the top of the market don’t buy on top of the market.

    If you want to make money buy when others are not. Or look for deals

    You make your money when you buy

  • Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Yeah it sure seems that way Steve, and that’s why I haven’t bought - thanks for the reply.

    What’s the logic behind 10% - 12% negative cash flow on a duplex rental, the majority of buyers have used a 30 year mortgage with a down payment from what I’ve heard.

    If they’re house hacking, they could buy a bigger nicer SF for $200 more a month than they pay for the balance on the mortgage minus the other units rent, and have a yard, two bathrooms, bigger kitchen etc. 

    I mean these go QUICK. I’m trying to understand the mentality and the thought process that would explain the current buyers behavior.  

  • Rick PrudhommePro Member
    Investor · Blacklick, OH · Member since 2017 · 18 posts · 23 votes
    6y

    Dan,

      We own multiple duplexes in Lakewood and have one under contract at $135,000 now. It takes time and diligence to find the one for you. Look for ones that need some work, that's where you can really add value and equity. Also I see a look of rents well below market. You should be able to get $950-$1,050 for a 2 bedroom in Lakewood.

    Rick

  • Realtor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 857 votes
    6y

    Good place to live, many of the same reasons you're looking. Young professionals in the area, decent restaurant and night life. 

    I remember I showed a potential client a double for $64000 in 2017. He thought it was over priced at the time. I now own it and it's worth $150,000. 

  • Lender · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2011 · 587 posts · 435 votes
    6y

    @Dan Mahoney 2 thoughts here...

    1.  I think it is all about perspective.  If it was 55 degrees tomorrow in Ohio we would think that it was hot.  If it is 55 degrees in July we would think it was cold.  I know that sounds simple but a lot of coastal investors see these numbers are would kill for these types of deals in their local market.  

    2.  This is a bit of a generalization but I think it is accurate. I finance a lot of 2- 4 unit properties in Ohio and I have seen a huge swing in recent years.   Multi units in gentrified, up and coming, middle/upper census tracts are SUPER hot among the millennial crowd.  Lakewood,  Edgewater, Tremont, Ohio City in Cleveland and Grandview, Upper Arlington, Clintonville, and the Villages in Columbus to name a few.  With the cash flow of from the other units they are still living almost for free even if they over pay by 10% - 20%.  This has resulted in a pretty substantial increase in values.  

  • Real Estate Investor · Marysville, OH · Member since 2014 · 242 posts · 196 votes
    6y

    Are you actually seeing them sell for that much or just be listed for that much?  I have some Lakewood duplexes and quads that make ~1800-2400 and I've had refi appraisals in the past year and nothing approaching 200-250k.  Granted, I'm on the east end not the west end.

    I would sell all my Lakewood stuff if I could get the prices you are talking about.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 43 posts · 17 votes
    6y

    I have a few Lakewood multifamilies and we maximize rent and keep costs low to make the numbers work. If you buy a 3br West of Bunts with a fenced in backyard, you can charge $1,200 for the unit and another $25 for pet rent. There are a number of small things you can do to increase the overall revenue of the property. You still have to ensure you're buying undervalued properties to make the numbers work, but the deals exist. 

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    6y

    The market in some places is crazy, but as house prices go up, so do the rents.  Another thing to think about is as the price of single families go up, people trying to enter the market will go where they can and that may be some duplex as they can live in half and rent the other half out helping them cover the costs.  One of the places where my rentals are have single family homes starting at close to $400K and other markets are even pricier.

  • Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    Are you actually seeing them sell for that much or just be listed for that much?  I have some Lakewood duplexes and quads that make ~1800-2400 and I've had refi appraisals in the past year and nothing approaching 200-250k.  Granted, I'm on the east end not the west end.

    I would sell all my Lakewood stuff if I could get the prices you are talking about.

    MF - Sold Last two weeks Listed @

    2022 Bunts Rd - 1 day - 260k
    1595 Bunts Rd - 1 day - 280k
    17800 Franklin Ave - 1 day - 265k
    1382 Phelps Ave - 2 days - 245k
    1533 Elmwood Ave - 2 days - 290k
    1305 Virginia Ave - 3 days - 280k

    Do I know they sold for those prices, no, but half of them didn't last 24 hrs, and the three I bid on (@ or 10%-15% below list) all had multiple offers. These are mostly remodeled units, and the top priced ones have stainless / windows, finished 3rd floor, etc. 

    The more unconventional / odd layout ones that need work near 117th are @ 150k-175k ish depending, but I've seen nice ones go for over 200k, but I prefer to be further west and north since it's a house hack. 


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