Best PM For C-Class?

Best PM For C-Class?

Member since 2019 · 12 posts · 1 vote

hey All!

Newbie investor here.  I've been bitten by the real estate "bug" and love the prospects here in Indy.  It's economically diverse, affordable, there is a fair amount of inventory and selection, it's large, the evictions are shorter than many states, etc.

I am looking at properties in the 50k-80k range.  That would be considered the C range I believe? (correct me if I'm wrong pls!)

Looking for a great PM. 

I will be buying single-family. I am not interested in section 8. 

The main things I'm looking for is:

1) They make their money on volume. If they rely on any other method...such as maintenance (marking up materials, labor, etc.), turnover costs, other excessive fees, or other methods to make their money, it will not turn out well for me. I realize there will always be a mark-up, but it cannot be excessive:

-----A) Low average tenant turnover time

-----B) Low average turnover costs

-----C) Clearly documented fee structure

...........I realize that some property managers may have high management fees, as high as 12%. I am okay with that...In fact, I would prefer it! I might be willing to pay even more. A high management fee means they are likely making less on the hidden stuff (maintenance, turnover, hidden fees, etc.). That's what I worry about.

2) Has a stellar reputation

3) The average tenant stays for a long time.

- Great tenant screening

- Doesn't just look for warm bodies. The PM actively looks for tenants that want to be there long-term. Even if it takes a bit longer to find them.

- If the tenant wants to leave, the PM finds out why and fixes that problem.

4) When they get a service call from a tenant, they do over-the-phone troubleshooting before sending someone to inspect/repair the problem.

5) Always uses an unlicensed handyman when possible. Only uses licensed contractors when necessary

6) Cares about their investors and understands them. Realizes the importance of maximizing long-term profit

7) Responds quickly to the needs of tenants and investors.

8) Handles evictions smoothly and quickly

9) The manager is selective. He/she refuses to manage D-class properties

       - If the PM would manage a property in a war zone, that's a bad sign. If the PM is desparate for business, there's a reason for that.

10) Has been in business for at least 5 years

11) Experienced with C areas

If I am being unrealistic, please let me know! Hopefully this is not a "mythical" PM.

thanks

Alex Fidelia

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
7y

what your describing  C class with no tenant turn over 650 to 750 dollar renters  is just an oxymoron and you will soon find that out..

NO pm can do what you describe..  the tenants in those price points don't live the way you want them to live.. 

as @Jeff Schechter  stated a PM would starve without  lease fee's mark up s etc.. 

If I was in the PM business on the low end like your describing I would have a set fee of 150 a month .. its more in line with asset management .. than it is with tenant property management..  

Keep in mind your 650 tenant to qualify needs to make 3X rent.. that's less than 2k a month.. take out the rent take out 150 to 200 for utls that lease basically 250 bucks a week to pay for their car their phone.. food cloths , most have kids the dog food etc etc.. these are folks that live pay check to pay check.. so to think your going to get stability in that renter is wishful thinking and or you simply don't know what you don't know.. 

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  • Member since 2019 · 12 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    Originally posted by @Raju V.:

    @Alex Fidelia

    "To reach my $4,500 goal, all I need is 15 C-class properties cash flowing at $300/month."

    You probably need closer to 30 C-class properties to reach your goal of $4500/mo. A few things that are much higher with tenants paying $700/rent:

    1. Tenant turnover

    2. Maintenance cost

    3. Property damage

    4. Stress level 

    What ever your pro-forma numbers are on these types of properties. I would cut the net number in half and that would be your true net income/cap rate. 

    hey Raju,

    Great, thanks!

    I'm curious how you got to that number though.  I am paying all cash for my properties and based on the PM I talked to, I should be able to get $300-$500/month.

    Although it might be B's now

    thanks

    Alex

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Raju V.:

    @Alex Fidelia

    "To reach my $4,500 goal, all I need is 15 C-class properties cash flowing at $300/month."

    You probably need closer to 30 C-class properties to reach your goal of $4500/mo. A few things that are much higher with tenants paying $700/rent:

    1. Tenant turnover

    2. Maintenance cost

    3. Property damage

    4. Stress level 

    What ever your pro-forma numbers are on these types of properties. I would cut the net number in half and that would be your true net income/cap rate. 

    Amen  reality check from MD.   

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y

    as for indy PM's here are a few off the top of my head..

    Ross Denman

    Todd Burton

    F S homes  ( I have known Ashely from another venture)

    Elisha Drake

  • Member since 2019 · 12 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    as for indy PM's here are a few off the top of my head..

    Ross Denman

    Todd Burton

    F S homes  ( I have known Ashely from another venture)

    Elisha Drake

     Thanks Jay!

    I am not too familiar with the others, but I thought F S homes was more focused on C class?

    best

    Alex

  • Member since 2019 · 12 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    as for indy PM's here are a few off the top of my head..

    Ross Denman

    Todd Burton

    F S homes  ( I have known Ashely from another venture)

    Elisha Drake

    hey Jay,

    Also, when it comes to Real Estate Agents, who are the heavy hitters in Indy?

    best

    Alex

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Alex Fidelia:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    as for indy PM's here are a few off the top of my head..

    Ross Denman

    Todd Burton

    F S homes  ( I have known Ashely from another venture)

    Elisha Drake

     Thanks Jay!

    I am not too familiar with the others, but I thought F S homes was more focused on C class?

    best

    Alex

     I am sure any of those PM's will happily take on B class.

    as for realtors.   you must be a realtor or broker to be a PM so all of those folks could either assist or point you in the right direction.

  • Investor · Severna Park, MD · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 39 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Alex Fidelia:
    Originally posted by @Raju V.:

    @Alex Fidelia

    "To reach my $4,500 goal, all I need is 15 C-class properties cash flowing at $300/month."

    You probably need closer to 30 C-class properties to reach your goal of $4500/mo. A few things that are much higher with tenants paying $700/rent:

    1. Tenant turnover

    2. Maintenance cost

    3. Property damage

    4. Stress level 

    What ever your pro-forma numbers are on these types of properties. I would cut the net number in half and that would be your true net income/cap rate. 

    hey Raju,

    Great, thanks!

    I'm curious how you got to that number though.  I am paying all cash for my properties and based on the PM I talked to, I should be able to get $300-$500/month.

    Although it might be B's now

    thanks

    Alex

    I paid cash for all of mine as well, and my rents are actually higher around 750-975 for my lower class units in Baltimore. What you will find is that around 25-50% of them will not make any money or lose money. The others will hopefully perform as expected.   For example, I have 2 out of 10 lower class units draining my profits.  Tenants move out after 4-5 months, and paying 3-4k turnover expense. A couple of units late on payments. 

    I'm not saying don't invest in these properties, but just have realistic expectations. I am actually in the process of buying a few more. Also I would say a bulk of my money is either in Class A and B, or cash. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2013 · 919 posts · 911 votes
    7y

    @Alex Fidelia, I recommend that YOU be the PM.  You will learn a lot about the ramifications of your own choices/business model.

    For example:  if you’re not willing to walk the street of your rental, why would you expect a PM?

    I invest in A-/B+ properties based on school systems.  I pm them ALL.  It takes very little of my own time as I set up systems for everything.  I’ve had as many as 9 sfr’s, today I am at 6.  My ‘business model’ is so easy that ‘even a caveman can do it’.  I even have a oos property.

    My average stay is about 5 years, but I did have one tenant stay 9 years  I have a present tenant on year 7.  Even w my model, I want to limit turnover.  Not necessarily because of expense, but loss of rental income.  My longest vacancy is 3 weeks.

    You might ask: how did you do that?  Easy.  Good house, good school, slightly under market for rent.  Everyone shows up and wants it.  I choose my tenants.  They don’t choose me.  Because it’s desirable, I’m able to raise the rent every year and safely increase my cashflow.

    Hope that helps.

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