BP Newbie interested in Multi-family rentals

BP Newbie interested in Multi-family rentals

Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 5 votes

I'm a new member here and I'm currently in the knowledge accumulation phase. I live in NYC and I'm interested in relocating to a (relatively) smaller city, purchasing a multi-family property to fix up, move into one unit, and house-hack the other(s). Properties within my realistic budget would be in the $500-600k range or less.

Portland, OR is one of the cities I'm interested in, but after looking for Multi-family properties on Trulia, Zillow, the MLS, I haven't found anything that comes close to passing the 1% test.

An example of typical numbers I've seen have been $500k for a multi-family unit in areas where 2 bd units rent for ~2k. With those numbers, even if I'm paying full price for my unit and renting another for $2k, the Rent to Cost ratio comes out to .08%. That number doesn't account for renovation costs.

This has led me to a few questions:

1) Am I just not looking in the right place / hard enough? Are there better deals available that might be found if I were looking on the street, through an agent, or direct mailing owners?

2) Is finding a 2% Rent to Cost  property in the PDX market a pipe dream? I've seen people make the argument that expecting to find rental properties that pass the 1-2% tests in larger markets is often unrealistic. Would Cash over Cash or the 50% rule be better metrics to evaluate with?

3) Is the current PDX market just not great for cash flow rentals, and perhaps better suited for Flipping?

I apologize in advance for the novel of a question. Thank you!

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Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2012 · 163 posts · 121 votes
7y

Hi @David Antunes,

I'm not exactly following your 2% cost ratio.  There are definitely good deals that cashflow in Portland.  A good multifamily deal right now gets rents that are about .7 to .8% of the purchase price.

I am in contract to purchase a deal in the pdx metro which I believe is a good deal, it's pretty close though.  The property is a 4 plex at 248 Cervantes Lake Oswego 97035.  Rents are at $1500 right now, but after very small renovations I believe I can get $1795 for a 2br/2ba.

Here's the breakdown:

6k rent

1k taxes

.3k hoa and insurance

.2k landscaping

.3k vacancy (5%)

which leaves 4.2k of revenue to cover debt payments.  Once we raise rents, we'll be slightly better off.

If we get rents to $1695, then we've got 5k to cover debt payments and we are doing a lot better.

The market is definitely very tight.

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  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2012 · 163 posts · 121 votes
    7y

    Hi @David Antunes,

    I'm not exactly following your 2% cost ratio.  There are definitely good deals that cashflow in Portland.  A good multifamily deal right now gets rents that are about .7 to .8% of the purchase price.

    I am in contract to purchase a deal in the pdx metro which I believe is a good deal, it's pretty close though.  The property is a 4 plex at 248 Cervantes Lake Oswego 97035.  Rents are at $1500 right now, but after very small renovations I believe I can get $1795 for a 2br/2ba.

    Here's the breakdown:

    6k rent

    1k taxes

    .3k hoa and insurance

    .2k landscaping

    .3k vacancy (5%)

    which leaves 4.2k of revenue to cover debt payments.  Once we raise rents, we'll be slightly better off.

    If we get rents to $1695, then we've got 5k to cover debt payments and we are doing a lot better.

    The market is definitely very tight.

  • Real Estate Agent · Portland, OR · Member since 2013 · 412 posts · 219 votes
    7y

    Hi David, Chris is pretty spot on that the market is tight, but I don't think you'll find that to be too different in any urban, coastal city (certainly on the west coast). In the range you're talking about you can find more economical, value-add opportunities that will help cushion your equity including a few triplexes that pop-up. You can also find steady, rehabbed units that are near the top of their rents. 

    Many of our buyers happily take the win of reduced interest rates and down-payment requirements from house hacking and add it to a value play by having an opportunity to kick-start appreciation. Others aren't okay with breaking even for a year while you stabilize rents and upgrade the unit. It's all a matter of finding the sweet spot in the Venn Diagram of your goals, opportunities, and risk tolerance. 

    Hope that helps!

    (Chris, nice find on the Cervantes 4-Plex...if needed, you've got a great opportunity for an exit through condo conversion as well as a nice rental in a great area!)

  • Developer · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 67 posts · 61 votes
    7y

    Chris and Mathew are both spot on.  I thought I'd take a stab at answering your questions.


    1) Yes, there are better deals available if you can hunt something done off-market. It takes a lot more work, but is better than bidding against the competition on listed properties.  Sounds like you already know the most effective ways of digging up those off-market deals. 


    2) Everyone has their own ROI goals and metrics. As a portland investor, my goals are 20% cash on cash return for flips and minimum 7% annual ROI for holds.

    3) It is definitely easier to get a short-term cash infusion from flipping, but there is still plenty of multi-family  that cash flows out here!

  • Real Estate Agent · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 117 posts · 59 votes
    7y

    @David Antunes Price to rent ratios are going to vary quite a bit by location. I have a friend that just purchased a triplex in McMinnville that just barely hits 1% but anything on the MLS in Multnomah County probably won't come close to that.

    With ADU fees waived currently, you can build an attached ADU on top of a garage for $80k that will rent for $800-1200 depending on location. Might be something to look into.

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