My Horrible Experience with Ron LeGrand&#x27;s Financial Freedom

Uwe S.

Property Manager · Dublin, OH · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 291 votes

16y

Conclusion: DonÂ´t give your credit card infos for "free" products!!!

-Uwe

3 Reply

Real Estate Investor · Craigmont, ID · Member since 2009 · 564 posts · 239 votes

16y

Basically the same thing happened to me with LeGrand. A friend sent me a link for his "free" CD 4.95 S&H. Directly after signing up I called them to make certain I had not signed up for any "subscriptions" or "programs" and was assured I was not. A month later I saw a 29.95 charge on my card and came unglued!

They did refund my money but it makes me want to strangle any guru that tries to sell me his wares.

Gota really watch em!

My friend said "I hope it was a mistake and not SOP" It is their SOP sad to say.

Rachel H.

San Antonio, TX · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes

16y

Wow, thanks for sharing!

Account Closed

Real Estate Investor · Dearborn, MI · Member since 2009 · 56 posts · 40 votes

16y

Ron LeGrand should be reported to the SEC, BBB, and the FBI. I have heard so many people getting charged the "fees" for signing up for a free CD. It is clearly wrong

Bob Washington

Real Estate Investor · Beverly Hills, CA · Member since 2010 · 10 posts · 7 votes

16y

Financial Freedom Network I laughed at -- after reading the agreement, no comparable value for that monthly price -- 3 or so years ago, if value has changed now, my time-based disclaimer is as aforementioned -- and Legrand would do well to disconnect FFN from his name, as I believe FFN is now out-sourced, whatever.

I empathize with you , Joe and the other responders, but when I read Legrandâ€™s, and most of the other guruâ€™s, contracts prior to trying a teaser product, it clearly stated in the agreement that if customer did not want the upgrade service for which the teaser/free product, free video, whatever, was being given away, then customer must cancel within the stated period of time, which almost always range from 30 to 90 days [60 days is becoming more common, as more folks forget to cancel]

So long as terms to cancel are clearly stated prior to contracting, I donâ€™t find it unethical, -- and real estate gurus have merely adapted a teaser or rebate marketing technique used in most every industry -- recently even Chrysler cars [try our minivan for 60 days! youâ€™ve seen the adsâ€¦.]. Not wanting to sound like an attorney, but companies like the teaser because they are on firm legal ground: so long as company clearly tell consumer prior to purchase when they must cancel by

[knowing statistically enough will not comply in time to make the teaser marketing profitable] be it rebates on computer software that many folks will fail to mail in, or real estate CD w/â€mentoringâ€ or whatever that some unfortunate folks will not timely cancel, or Chrysler minivans forget to returnâ€¦.

Legrand was very ethical each time I or my partners have tried his teasers [no Mr. Moderator, we have no financial relationship with any guru :B ]
after we canceled promptly there were no additional billings either time.

I or a partner have done at least two of his boot-camps over the years, including his land & commercial property which helped us buy our first three land joint ventures-with-the-sellers a few years ago â€“ never has there been subsequent illegal charges, but I do read thoroughly the agreements and immediately notate in my day-timer the required termination date for any companyâ€™s teaser or rebate.

Again, I empathize with those who had bad experiences with any companyâ€™s or guruâ€™s teasers, but Iâ€™d suggest rather than avoiding teasers and rebates, take advantage of them! Using your throw-away prepaid credit card of course, to protect your credit, and complying with the contract terms --

I find teasers sometimes do indicate whether the subsequent seminar or product might be worth having your company purchase. Though if an individual were paying for her or himself, Iâ€™d say go with the home-study version for a fraction of the costs of the live seminarâ€¦.

Okay, bring on the angry posts from all teaser-victims [wait, I said I empathizeâ€¦.]

Best of luck
Bob

Real Estate Investor · Craigmont, ID · Member since 2009 · 564 posts · 239 votes

16y

That is the reason I called them right after signing up to be sure I wasn't on any subscriptions. You are right though, it takes suckers like us to keep their business running.

The best part is the free CD is nothing more than a bunch of vague suggestions about how you can make all this money in real estate and vague bragging sessions about how he has been around so long and wants to give you all his knowledge before he croaks (paraphrased)

Someday I will be completely immune to the crooks attempts at separating me from my hard earned money. It gets easier with each passing day to spot them.

Real Estate Investor · Craigmont, ID · Member since 2009 · 564 posts · 239 votes

16y

It is the same way with mail in rebates. Just a teaser to get people to buy but you can always bank on a good portion of those people to miss the deadline.

Joe Sullivan

OP

Santa Ana, CA, CA · Member since 2009 · 13 posts · 9 votes

16y

RealEstateIRA's, there was no fine print. All the fine print came in subsequent e-mails. By the time I received the subsequent emails, I stopped reading them because I realized they were of no value.

I've had business and conducted hundreds of sales transactions and find it very underhanded.

Real Estate Investor · Craigmont, ID · Member since 2009 · 564 posts · 239 votes

16y

I find it disturbing how many "business models" are all about suckering people into buying and even use skillful wording to deceive people into signing up.

Any MLM is that way. If you do the math the pyramid business model is mathematically flawed. Not to mention the idea of my â€œbusinessâ€ relying on my friends and family also being suckered into signing up is just appalling.

Nouveau Riche is the same even though I donâ€™t think it is a true pyramid (not too sure though) they get you interested by advertising â€œRE investor looking for apprentice: 20,000.00â€

If you take the ad at face value one would be led to believe the â€œinvestorâ€ was going to pay you a salary to help him with his business and teach you the ropes. The truth is that you have to SPEND 20K to go to their school and learn the ropes. Many of them sell the course at 20k a pop and that is how they â€œmake money in real estateâ€

Sad but true.

Paul Vigeant

Renter · Worcester, MA · Member since 2012 · 4 posts · 1 vote

12y

Thank you for saving me from some unnecessary headaches.

On that note, can anyone recommend/endorse a reputable educator with experience in wholesaling?

I'm a divorced dad to four and I'm working two jobs and never around to see my youngest. I'm looking for a way out of the Rat Race.

Koritas Jones

Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 40 posts · 4 votes

9y

Dang and I was just referred to him by somebody. Seems like he has some good Youtube instructional videos though. Anybody know about Cameron Dunlap or Kent Clothier?

Anthony Stephenson

Investor · Murfreesboro, TN · Member since 2013 · 59 posts · 80 votes

9y

His stuff works if you work it, which is where most people fall flat.

Xue Hao

Alhambra, CA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 3 votes

9y

@Bob Washington, @Anthony Stephenson, is it worth a try with Ron Legrand?

I have been watching his youtube, he has some good stuff, but don't know if worth going further.

Thanks.

Aaron Anderson

Real Estate Investor · Spokane, WA · Member since 2012 · 13 posts · 16 votes

9y

I have been a student of Ron LeGrand for a number of years. I have never found anything he does or his business do to be shady.

I have attended a number of seminars and trainings by other gurus and have walked away from many with a bad taste in my mouth. There is nothing more annoying that paying $1200 just to hear a sales pitch and be told that the only thing that will allow you to be successful is to sink a ton of cash into the advanced training.

Ron's "Quick Start" Seminar is the first training where when I walked out I realized that I didn't have to spend another dime on training and could walk out and do a deal. Of course there was offers to register for more courses and mentoring and various up sells, but you will find that at any seminar.

I have been extremely impressed with his teachings have found myself measuring other training courses and products against him.

So far the only strike that I have against him is that I don't agree on his politics.

Full Disclosure, He has a monthly subscription program to which I am an affiliate of. (You are automatically an affiliate when you sign up) That being said, I'm not a very active affiliate. My primary business is Real Estate and that is what I focus on.

James BrownPro Member

Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 86 posts · 26 votes

6y

I'm sorry to hear that some people have had problems with their automatic billing and have had bad customer service calls.

Personally, I have had a great experience with Ron Legrand and like @Aaron Anderson, have attended his Fast Track and Quick Start courses. I'm also a member of his site which has a ton of great resources, and have a very knowledgable mentor that was assigned to me and my business partner.

Jerry Torrens

Bronx, NY · Member since 2014 · 1 post · 0 votes

4y

Even ten years later, i want to say thank you. Help me dodge a bullet. Heard their webinar and thought of it too good to be true, so moving on to other opportunities elsewhere.

Steven Foster Wilson

Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes

4y

Quote from @Joe Sullivan:

I gave Financial Freedom my credit card info so that they could bill me $3.95 to ship me a book. They ended up billing me $200 a month for several months before I realized what they had done.

My wife's a Realtor and we flipped a couple houses that she found for us. This last year I've been trying to really learn the business and begin to market for properties. In doing this, I've signed up for some free conference calls and webinars. I signed up for something on Ron LeGrand's web-site (the free access portion). I gave my credit card so that a free CD could be shipped to me.

I eventually got inundated with emails from these various web-sites and stopped reading everything they sent to me. I filtered to junk mail, etc. I realized all these conference calls and webinars were just teases to sell something.

About 5 months have giving Financial Freedom my credit card, my wife asks what this $200 monthly charge is for. I immediately called Financial Freedom they explained that the $200 was for their "pay -site" which includes a free weekly conference call, etc. I explained I had never joined this or consented to pay for this that I gave them my credit card to bill $3.95. They lady I was speaking to grew very defensive and told me that they had emailed to me confirmation for this web-site. I explained I hadn't seen such an email and had never given my consent, and had never even gone to this web-site. They lady started almost yelling "If you have your bank investigate we will send them the screen shots we sent you". I hadn't even mentioned having my bank investigate. Clearly she had been down this road with other people and knew exactly how it would escalate. She promised she would have her Supervisor call me (she was so rude you think she had gotten ripped off not me). The Supervisor never called. I called back again and asked for the Supervisor and 2 weeks later still no call.

Based upon my experience, I would strongly urge anyone to be very careful doing business with Ron LeGrand or Financial Freedom. In my opinion it is a very unethical organization.

My wife is always very aware of any charges on our account and that has saved us many times. Thank you for sharing!

Lee M.

Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes

2y

no thanks

Jeremy Fleming

Investor · Member since 2024 · 52 posts · 47 votes

2y

Quote from @Aaron Anderson:

I have been a student of Ron LeGrand for a number of years. I have never found anything he does or his business do to be shady.

I have attended a number of seminars and trainings by other gurus and have walked away from many with a bad taste in my mouth. There is nothing more annoying that paying $1200 just to hear a sales pitch and be told that the only thing that will allow you to be successful is to sink a ton of cash into the advanced training.

Ron's "Quick Start" Seminar is the first training where when I walked out I realized that I didn't have to spend another dime on training and could walk out and do a deal. Of course there was offers to register for more courses and mentoring and various up sells, but you will find that at any seminar.

I have been extremely impressed with his teachings have found myself measuring other training courses and products against him.

So far the only strike that I have against him is that I don't agree on his politics.

Full Disclosure, He has a monthly subscription program to which I am an affiliate of. (You are automatically an affiliate when you sign up) That being said, I'm not a very active affiliate. My primary business is Real Estate and that is what I focus on.

I studied LeGrand 20 years ago. Great teacher. In the trenches no BS kind of guy. Sad to hear that the FFN has destroyed Ron's reputation. Does he even have anything to do with the FFN anymore?

Anwar NasirPro Member

Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 6 votes

1y

I signed up for the mentor program and had issues with the mentors resulting in my cancellation. I did so in the time allotted as specified in the agreement and now I find them sending me a bill for $19,999.81. All I recieved were a few emails but no mentoring. My advice to anyone would be to steer clear of this companies mentor program.

Lee OuellettePro Member

San Francisco · Member since 2024 · 13 posts · 6 votes

1y

WOW! I had the chance to meet him this past weekend at a summit in Virginia, and I found him to be incredibly kind and full of valuable insights. His staff was equally welcoming, and my business partner and I signed up for his in-person workshops for 2025—it was an excellent deal. His expertise in IRAs, trusts, and asset protection was truly impressive. On top of that, he’s funny and very approachable. While he’s definitely a self-made guru, he comes across as someone who genuinely wants to do the right thing when you speak with him.

I understand many of you have had frustrating experiences and feel let down by the system, and I’m truly sorry to hear that. I’ve just started his Land Trust program and plan to attend his 3-day workshop this spring. I’ll share my overall experience after that. Wishing everyone the best moving forward!

Frank Ritzert

Member since 2025 · 1 post · 0 votes

1y

Ron LeGrand recently spoke at a Jacksonville REIA meeting in January 2025 after Cameron Gaskill backed out last minute due to health issues. This was a free REIA meeting, and I had been to several seminars and trainings filled with vague and unhelpful common-sense information before.

Like any other Real Estate Investor selling an educational course, he was teasing us for another paid training. This one happened to be 2-Day Field Trip Bus Ride where we would be able to ride with him through Jacksonville and see real properties, where he made real money, and how he did it. Unlike the free trainings I had been to before, this one gave clear and concise action items I could begin to implement on my own the next day. First time ever. I left the meeting on FIRE to start implementing.

During his lecture, he went through a phone script and said it would be given out to anyone who attended the training. I approached him after his lecture and explained that I wouldn't be able to attend his 2-Day Trip because I had to work, but asked him if I could purchase the script instead. He told me to call in sick and come to the training lol but then he handed me his personal copy of the phone script that he had been using during his presentation. Doesn't seem like a scammer to me.

Anwar NasirPro Member

Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 6 votes

1y

Quote from @Koritas Jones:

Dang and I was just referred to him by somebody. Seems like he has some good Youtube instructional videos though. Anybody know about Cameron Dunlap or Kent Clothier?

Cameron Dunlap claims to have studied with Carlton Sheets and claims to be offering transactional funding for wholesale deals. When I started getting emails from other affiliates trying to get me to invest in additional resources, it sent up a red flag for me. It's amazing how many of these guys are connected.

Anwar NasirPro Member

Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 6 votes

1y

Quote from @Frank Ritzert:

Ron LeGrand recently spoke at a Jacksonville REIA meeting in January 2025 after Cameron Gaskill backed out last minute due to health issues. This was a free REIA meeting, and I had been to several seminars and trainings filled with vague and unhelpful common-sense information before.

Like any other Real Estate Investor selling an educational course, he was teasing us for another paid training. This one happened to be 2-Day Field Trip Bus Ride where we would be able to ride with him through Jacksonville and see real properties, where he made real money, and how he did it. Unlike the free trainings I had been to before, this one gave clear and concise action items I could begin to implement on my own the next day. First time ever. I left the meeting on FIRE to start implementing.

During his lecture, he went through a phone script and said it would be given out to anyone who attended the training. I approached him after his lecture and explained that I wouldn't be able to attend his 2-Day Trip because I had to work, but asked him if I could purchase the script instead. He told me to call in sick and come to the training lol but then he handed me his personal copy of the phone script that he had been using during his presentation. Doesn't seem like a scammer to me.

I find that a lot of these companies have customer service issues. It's not about the front man, but everything behind him.