Who has over 2 Million in Real Estate Assets?

Who has over 2 Million in Real Estate Assets?

Investor · Durango, CO · Member since 2008 · 163 posts · 59 votes

I am reading the Millionaire Real Estate Investor, about acquiring a million in real estate, then increasing equity to one million, then to one million a year in cash flow. I am just curious how many here on biggerpockets have over 2 million in real estate.

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Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
13y

I for one would never post on the internet that I had $2 million of assets of any sort. Or any other large(ish) number.

I will also argue that there is a HUGE, HUGH difference between "controlling" $2 million of assets using leverage or investors and having $2 million of equity. Income real estate is a cash on cash game. $2 million of equity will produce a very nice return. A tiny sliver of $2 million of controlled property because you're over leveraged it or have a bunch of investors who own the bulk of it doesn't produce much income at all.

OTOH, being a syndicator can produce a very nice income. Even if the property doesn't actually produce much income for your limited partners. You'll get your management fees right off the top. Now, I'll argue that's a job and not an investment, but, hey, income's income.

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  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Chris Martin:
    The better question to ask is who has $2M in real estate debt?

    Pretty close.

    Didn't Rich Weese's first broker tell him to get $10mm in debt to jump start building wealth?

  • Investor · Durango, CO · Member since 2008 · 163 posts · 59 votes
    13y

    @Chris Martin Why is that a better question? I just see it as further down the road.

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Carole G.:
    @Chris Martin Why is that a better question? I just see it as further down the road.

    For one thing, you don't need to guess or get appraisals done to get the number.

  • Investor · Durango, CO · Member since 2008 · 163 posts · 59 votes
    13y

    True. I update a spreadsheet fairly often with the values I estimate based on my knowledge of the area, county appraisals for the tax assessor (some counties are right on the money), and with my debt so I know my equity. Doesn't seem that hard to know one or the other. I'm not asking for exact figures.

  • Investor · San Jose, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Going from $1M in equity to $1M/year in positive cashflow is a huge step. In the Silicon Valley, that's equivalent to $25M of free and clear properties at 4% cap rate.

    It's easy to have over $2M in real estate equity if you started with $4M. Ok, I stole that line from Bill Gulley.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Chris Martin:
    The better question to ask is who has $2M in real estate debt?

    Why is that a better question?

    Someone may own 3 houses in San Francisco Bay area and has $ 2M debt and $ 600/month positive cash flow.

    I have 0 debt and have $ 5-6K/month positive cash flow.

  • Investor · Riverside, CA · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    My goal is to die with $100M in real estate debt. I think that would be real fun for those left behind to try to figure out. A real mess!

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Aaron Mazzrillo:
    My goal is to die with $100M in real estate debt. I think that would be real fun for those left behind to try to figure out. A real mess!

    Leave your estate to a rival.

    Good thing you don't have kids.

  • Rental Property Investor · Upstate, NY · Member since 2012 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    a better question would be

    'who has over $2mill free & clear with the respective cash flows & who legitimately doesn't pay taxes' :)

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Pat L.:
    a better question would be

    'who has over $2mill free & clear with the respective cash flows & who legitimately doesn't pay taxes' :)

    Someone with a mountain of depreciation? Someone who should write an article for BP on tax avoidance?

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    @Jon Klaus

    Under current tax law there are caps on deprecation, if you make more than $100,000, and phased out if you make more than $150,000. the only exception is if you are a "real estate professional".

    Before the caps were placed on depreciation and before the depreciation schedules were extended to 27.5 and 39 years, there were much more opportunities to high depreciation offset a high income and it was easier to pay no taxes. Ah, the good old days.

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    It isn't too hard to be a real estate professional if you are managing millions in RE. Yes, abide by the IRS rules. Rich Weese, who used to post here a lot, wrote often about paying no income tax with lots of assets and income.

    Any chance your book will come out on Kindle?

  • Rental Property Investor · Upstate, NY · Member since 2012 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Jon Klaus:
    Originally posted by Pat L.:
    a better question would be
    'who has over $2mill free & clear with the respective cash flows & who legitimately doesn't pay taxes' :)

    Someone with a mountain of depreciation? Someone who should write an article for BP on tax avoidance?

    MY biggest compliment was from my IRS auditor .......

    "how do you make any money from all this?"

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Pat L.:
    Originally posted by Jon Klaus:
    Originally posted by Pat L.:
    a better question would be
    'who has over $2mill free & clear with the respective cash flows & who legitimately doesn't pay taxes' :)

    Someone with a mountain of depreciation? Someone who should write an article for BP on tax avoidance?

    MY biggest compliment was from my IRS auditor .......

    "how do you make any money from all this?"

    I would think that leverage would be a big part of the strategy? We're getting off topic here, would you be up for talking about it in a new thread?

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