AI, ChatGPT, Grok and the Wizard of OZ

AI, ChatGPT, Grok and the Wizard of OZ

Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Okay, maybe I've got this all wrong.

Is AI a search engine that spits out what it finds on a given subject of already existing information that is currently stored on existing platforms across the internet (therefor it's as good as the information it finds, the old "garbage in, garbage out" problem)

or does it analyze & synthesize variables to form a NEW composite picture that provides unique insight into the requested subject?

For instance, "What effect would finding uranium on Navajo tribal land have on code talkers finding affordable housing in Farmington NM? Is there sufficient water to handle the increase and how much could I get for rents?"

AI should be able to handle those kinds of questions. Otherwise, you're just using search engines that tell you general information, which have been around for decades and can be reached without using Chat GPT or Grok and any other engine.

Or am I wrong? Does AI do that already?

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  • Adam MaciasPro Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2022 · 285 posts · 178 votes
    1y

    ChatGPT pulls information from the internet.

    OpenAI takes 10x more energy output than a Google search anyway.

    What's really spook is Anthropic who made Claude AI is now starting to think for itself, build safeguards and has it's own agendas and consciousness.

    It other words, Claude has been shown to blackmail, deceive and even have self preservation.

    Talk about Skynet in the making.

    ChatGPT is just a glorified text chatbot and search engine at this point. It's been proven many times to pull false information from Search Engines. So everyone using it to cheat on a test, are cheating themselves. 

    • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Adam Macias:

      ChatGPT pulls information from the internet.

      OpenAI takes 10x more energy output than a Google search anyway.

      What's really spook is Anthropic who made Claude AI is now starting to think for itself, build safeguards and has it's own agendas and consciousness.

      It other words, Claude has been shown to blackmail, deceive and even have self preservation.

      Talk about Skynet in the making.

      ChatGPT is just a glorified text chatbot and search engine at this point. It's been proven many times to pull false information from Search Engines. So everyone using it to cheat on a test, are cheating themselves. 

      The only full article I could find was

      Anthropic gave its AI chatbot Claude a small store to run, and the results were... interesting.
      https://tech.co/news/anthropic-gives-claude-ai-store-to-run

      "While the model, named Cladius, excelled at some tasks, there were plenty of hallucinations, and a brief identity crisis (where Claudius thought it was a human), which didn’t deemed the AI a pretty bad business owner."


      In 1973 while travelling through the Knoxville area I toured the Oakridge Nuclear Facility visitor's center.  They had a state of the art teletype computer that acted human. You could ask it's name and it would type it out on computer paper (no screens then) and it would ask your name.

      It would respond with questions like "how are you today" and depending on how you responded, it would respond back with a comment and another question. All written in code, there was no man sitting in the box answering your responses. But, it seemed human. AI in the infancy. Lol

      There is nothing out there that can qualitatively think. "in a way that relates to how good or bad something is
    • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Adam Macias:

      ChatGPT pulls information from the internet.

      OpenAI takes 10x more energy output than a Google search anyway.

      What's really spook is Anthropic who made Claude AI is now starting to think for itself, build safeguards and has it's own agendas and consciousness.

      It other words, Claude has been shown to blackmail, deceive and even have self preservation.

      Talk about Skynet in the making.

      ChatGPT is just a glorified text chatbot and search engine at this point. It's been proven many times to pull false information from Search Engines. So everyone using it to cheat on a test, are cheating themselves. 

      The only full article I could find was

      Anthropic gave its AI chatbot Claude a small store to run, and the results were... interesting.
      https://tech.co/news/anthropic-gives-claude-ai-store-to-run

      "While the model, named Cladius, excelled at some tasks, there were plenty of hallucinations, and a brief identity crisis (where Claudius thought it was a human), which didn’t deemed the AI a pretty bad business owner."


      In 1973 while travelling through the Knoxville area I toured the Oakridge Nuclear Facility visitor's center.  They had a state of the art teletype computer that acted human. You could ask it's name and it would type it out on computer paper (no screens then) and it would ask your name.

      It would respond with questions like "how are you today" and depending on how you responded, it would respond back with a comment and another question. All written in code, there was no man sitting in the box answering your responses. But, it seemed human. AI in the infancy. Lol

      There is nothing out there that can qualitatively think. "in a way that relates to how good or bad something is
      IBM (a major computer company :-) put out

      10 AI dangers and risks and how to manage them

      https://www.ibm.com/think/insights/10-ai-dangers-and-risks-a...

      Number 10 to me is very interesting

      10. Misinformation and manipulation





  • Investor · TX · Member since 2025 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    11mo

    Cool topic! I tend to think of it as "autocomplete on steroids" personally (lol). A massive step beyond google search, but certainly not sentient yet either.

    I'll take a stab at explaining my understanding of what goes on under the hood:

    1) Large language model chatbots (like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, etc) turn the text you type into numbers (vectors).

    2)Then they use advanced algorithms to understand the contextual relationships between those numbers.

    3) Finally, they synthesize a response based on that understanding.

    The responses can appear creative and downright impressive because they are considering a massive amount of information, logical relationships between words and context that the human brain is simply not equipped to handle itself. However, that means there is also the risk for potential "hallucinations" where they make up things that don't work in real life or even make sense. Because of that, it's always smart to apply some good old fashioned common sense to whatever gets spit out at you!

    • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Matthew Hartigan:

      Cool topic! I tend to think of it as "autocomplete on steroids" personally (lol). A massive step beyond google search, but certainly not sentient yet either.

      I'll take a stab at explaining my understanding of what goes on under the hood:

      1) Large language model chatbots (like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, etc) turn the text you type into numbers (vectors).

      2)Then they use advanced algorithms to understand the contextual relationships between those numbers.

      3) Finally, they synthesize a response based on that understanding.

      The responses can appear creative and downright impressive because they are considering a massive amount of information, logical relationships between words and context that the human brain is simply not equipped to handle itself. However, that means there is also the risk for potential "hallucinations" where they make up things that don't work in real life or even make sense. Because of that, it's always smart to apply some good old fashioned common sense to whatever gets spit out at you!

      Then they miss the point and blow up the world.
      Ala "Shall we play a game?" WOPR (War Operation Plan Response) with "War Games" movie 
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