Questions about my first investment property

Questions about my first investment property

Involved In Real Estate · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 1 vote

Hey everyone,

So for the past 2 months my brother and I have been looking for 2-4 unit property in Chicago. Our plan is to live in one unit and rent out the other units. We found a place that is listed for $250,000. It's move-in ready. There are 2 legal units and rentable basement. There is a two bedroom and a one bedroom and a basement unit with 2 bedrooms but no kitchen. Overall, my realtor concluded we could get $2400/month in rent if fully rented out (In reality it would be less since my brother and I would be living in one of the units). Basically this is her analysis and I'm wondering what you think...

List Price: $250,000

25% Down Payment: 62,500

Mortgage Amount: $187,500

Gross Monthly Rent: $2400

Gross Yearly Rent: $28,800

Expenses

Taxes: $5058

Insurance: $1400

Water: $1300

Gas and Electric is separate

Vacancy (5%): $1440

Total Expenses: $9198

Net operating Income: $19,602

Mortgage Amount: $187,500

Monthly Payment (4.5 interest rate, 30 year fix): $950.03

Yearly Mortgage payment: $11,400.36

NOI/ Yearly Mortgage Debt: 1.72

Two things I've never heard of NOI/ Yearly Mortgage Debt. Also she said she did not plug in a cap rate or GRM because on 2 units these numbers are not the best to use for comparing 2 unit properties one to another, as they can very so widely from property to property. I thought cap rate and GRM were important to evaluating 2-4 unit properties. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
12y

Sorry. On my phone and can't tag you. We were not metered in Chicago and added a meter. We were paying about $500-$600 every 6 months for non metered unlimited water. Then we installed meters. They guarantee that you will pay less than last year for x number of years. Our bill is now $70-$80 every other month

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  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    @John Hauser

    @Larry Smet is referring to sub-metering the water. While the actual remote/meter device can be as small as described, you need to first have a manifold down stream from the utilities meter on the building and separate water feeds running to each unit.

    Most of the time in smaller residential (1-4) multies or converted older buildings (we have lots of old Second Empire, Victorian, Edwardian, etc homes here than have been turned into 5-8 unit apartment buildings), the water lines to each unit are not isolated. The cost of running new lines often makes sub-metering infeasible.

  • Flipper / Rehabber / Real Estate Investor · Toronto, Ontario · Member since 2012 · 392 posts · 77 votes
    12y

    Yes, thanks @Roy N. (sorry - your handle isn't coming up on my phone). It's a good point to make that the water lines have to be manifolded so there are separate lines running to each unit... That's where @John Hauser was commenting that it's easier to do during the up front rehab

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    12y

    @Larry Smet @John Hauser and @Roy N. The weird thing about Chicago is it is one of the only major cities that is not all metered. It is actually voluntary and the program to get people to add meters was just started a few years ago. So in a lot of properties the city comes out and has to add a meter

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