Negative Cash Flow on SFH in Cary, North Carolina

Negative Cash Flow on SFH in Cary, North Carolina

Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes

First, thanks for all the posts and this website. I learned a lot by reading before jump in becoming a landlord. The more I read the more I learn the more negative cash flow I calculate. As back up case for newbie and future appreciate, I am looking for a single family house in very good or top rate public school (Blue Ribbon honor school) in Cary, NC. The lowest price is around $225K(201 Snow Camp Dr, Cary NC: 3beds/2.5bath 1600sq ft) for 20 yrs old house. This house is located in blue collar shirt area. The current price is even higher than price before the housing crash. The good houses with price $300K-$400K range are gone in the matter of HOURS after listing and some cases are less than 7 days. The other nearby houses with good schools rated are also in $200K range. Here is my calculation which shows negative cash flow: Let say sale price = $210K for the house above. Loan amount = $168K after $42K down payment. Principle and Interest = $876/month for 4.75% and 30 yrs. Expenses: tax = $175/month (1% rate), insurance = $83/month ($1000/yr), Vacancy = $140/mth (10% of rental income), Repair = $140/mth (10% of rental income), management company = $112 (8% of rental income) + $1400 for listing and find renter fee (equal to one month rent). Income is $1400/month. Add all the cost then subtract from income = NEGATIVE $127/month + $1400 due to find renter fee.

I can NOT manage the property due to both my wife and I have full time jobs + small kids.

Due to house recovery so fast around this area, the price is very higher which is so hard to have positive cash flow. Even with foreclosure houses are listing high + sold "as is" condition. The realtor agent mentioned the banks want to get some money back on the foreclosure properties during this housing recovery time. Please provide your comments on the cost analysis above and how to find positive cash flow property. I am welcome negative comments since I want to learn and improve my mistakes. This is hard income to earn...

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Investor · raleigh, NC · Member since 2010 · 45 posts · 18 votes
12y

Kit,

Like @Chuck Holland mentioned, I think you should join the Treia meeting first. Jumping right in and buy rental property in Cary is not a good idea. I like Holly Spring because it is less pricey than Cary and Apex while the tenant quality is good. Lately it is hard to find a good deal in Holly Spring.

Other avenue you could pursue is Vietnamese community. Lots of them are landlords, join the "cong dong", go to "chu`a", etc.

The point is to learn as much as possible first.

My 2 cents.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Westminster, CA · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 16 votes
    12y

    I respect that you have the desire to learn, but there is nothing to analyze here. There is no deal without positive cash flow. Unless you can buy and hold it with a negative cash flow hoping and praying that it appreciates faster than your loses and sell it for a gain. That's a suckers bet. Ask some the guys who were doing that in 2007. You need to find a wholesaler and pay cash for a property with a lot of deferred maintenance at a purchase price that is 30% below what the after repair market value would be. Then you could sell it at retail or hold it for cash flow. Just read everything you can on here. Especially the beginners guides.

    Just for future reference, it's "blue collar neighborhood". You don't have to use "shirts". Funny how languages translate.

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks for your feedback and correct my statement. How do I find a wholesaler? I read the beginners guides in matter of hours and refer it back many times when I have questions.

  • Real Estate Investor · Westminster, CA · Member since 2014 · 42 posts · 16 votes
    12y

    Triangle Real Estate Investors Association (Raleigh, NC) - Meetup

    http://www.meetup.com/Triangle-Real-Estate-Investors-Association/

    You need to join a local real estate group or find a local mentor before you flush any money down the toilet. I just used google and searched for real estate meet up group in your area. You do the same and find one that you are comfortable with. And do yourself a favor and dont run out and spend 10k on some over priced seminar or guru. There are some people who are not nice who will rob you of your last dollar at it will be totally legal So be careful.

  • Chapel Hill, NC · Member since 2014 · 41 posts · 15 votes
    12y

    Hi Kit, Cary is a tough area as its a very hot market, you might want to check out Durham - prices are much lower and there are a higher percentage of renters than in Cary. Good luck!

  • Investor · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2014 · 916 posts · 190 votes
    12y

    I'm a wholesaler in the state of NC but my primary focus in the RDU area. PM if you're interested...

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks for your inputs. I need to read more about wholesale and expand my search area.

    Hi Chaz,

    Can you please tell me from 40,000 ft from the top: the function and purpose of a wholesaler.

  • Cary, NC · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Hi Kit,

    I realized the same thing. I am interested in getting a couple rental properties in Raleigh and Cary. However, it is almost impossible to achieve 1% rule in our area. I looked into Durham as well. But in Durham, only within certain area, the house would get appreciated. Let me know what you found out. We can talk more if you are interested.

  • Investor · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2014 · 916 posts · 190 votes
    12y
    In a nutshell... A wholesaler does all the boots on ground work for you. He finds properties, information about them, takes photos, gets comps, estimates repairs, fair market rent estimates, negotiates with the seller, and offers you the property. He in return gets a finders fee and you get the property at the price you and the wholesaler agreed upon.
  • Investor · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2014 · 916 posts · 190 votes
    12y
    And a finders fee is the difference between what the wholesaler negotiates the seller to and what the wholesaler negotiates the buyer to... Seller agrees to sell for 10k. Buyer agrees to buyer for 15k. Finders/assignment fee for the wholesaler is then $5k...
  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Chaz: thanks for info. Which side is in charge the closing tasks and costs?

    Karen: Agreed. It is very hard in Cary area. I am just looking for $100 cash flow. Cary is too hot. Good properties are generally gone less than 1 week. Do you know Holly Spring well? I am NOT comfortable Durham area and don't go there much.

  • Investor · raleigh, NC · Member since 2010 · 45 posts · 18 votes
    12y

    Kit,

    Like @Chuck Holland mentioned, I think you should join the Treia meeting first. Jumping right in and buy rental property in Cary is not a good idea. I like Holly Spring because it is less pricey than Cary and Apex while the tenant quality is good. Lately it is hard to find a good deal in Holly Spring.

    Other avenue you could pursue is Vietnamese community. Lots of them are landlords, join the "cong dong", go to "chu`a", etc.

    The point is to learn as much as possible first.

    My 2 cents.

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2013 · 502 posts · 215 votes
    12y

    Kit,

    Cary is next to impossible for finding cash flowing properties. If you don't like Durham, try south east Raleigh. On the other hand, 2 full time jobs and children necessitate being an organizational genius if you want to go the whole sale/rehab route, especially as a beginner. Have you checked if there is a turnkey property company in Raleigh or Cary? They do the leg work and you pay a higher price. Lot's of content about that topic can be found here.

  • Specialist · Rockland, MA · Member since 2010 · 7k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    @Kit Nguyen

    Welcome. Time to build the legacy. Fill in the foundation below.

    Check out the Start Here page http://www.biggerpockets.com/starthere

    Check out BiggerPockets Ultimate Beginner's Guide - A fantastic free book that walks through many of the key topics of real estate investing.

    Check out the free BiggerPockets Podcast - A weekly podcast with interviews and a ton of great advice. And you get the benefit of having 60 past ones to catch up on.

    Locate and attend 3 different local REIA club meetings great place to meet people gather resources and info. Here you will meet wholesalers who provide deals and rehabbers.

    Two Great reads, I bought both J. Scott The Book on Flipping Houses,The Book on Estimating ReHab Costshttp://www.biggerpockets.com/flippingbook

    Consider checking out HUD homes for small multi's owner occupied gets first crack.

    Download BP’s newest book here some good due diligence in Chapter 10. Real Estate Rewind Starting over

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/files/user/brandonatbp/file/real-estate-rewind-a-biggerpockets-community-book

    Good Luck

    Paul

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    thanks for all your inputs. I need to do more search to learn.

  • Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    We have long ago given up on trying to invest in our back used. We happen to get lucky in California but it has not made sense in most of the other areas. I will say that my husband and I both work full time and I do manage the properties myself with no help from him. I do not have kids but I have a "system" and put the right work into the beginning. and it has worked out in the end.

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