Waukegan Duplex, To Buy or Not To Buy?

Waukegan Duplex, To Buy or Not To Buy?

Client Advisor · Lake Bluff, IL · Member since 2013 · 36 posts · 1 vote

Hi BP. Still working on timing my transition from stocks to real estate. But I'm close. What I'm looking for here is a little insight on a property in Waukegan, IL. I spoke with the owner and looked at the house one year ago. It still hasn't sold and it appears they raised the price $5k. I assume that's because he is no longer representing himself and has an agent. 

First time we looked at the property, he wanted $65,000 and had only the upstairs rented. At the time I looked at it with a friend/potential partner. Waukegan is 5 minutes from a huge Naval base so there's usually no shortage of military families to rent to. If you're not familiar, Waukegan isn't the nicest area. However, the property in question is in a pretty good location: adjacent to a garden run by the city council, less than a block from a brand new park, and kiddie corner to a church/Catholic school. This is my first deal. I'm still apprehensive about the area, but again, just because I wouldn't live there doesn't mean no one would. Doesn't appear to be many vacancies in the area and the seller is trying to get rid of his entire portfolio and move to Florida. 

So here it is: 

Asking price: $70,000

What I intend to offer (if I offer): $45,000. I could do all cash with perhaps some help from family (less than $15k) or friends/partners (one has asked me to find something he could join in on with $20k, the other serious one has about $35k-$50k to invest with me). 

It is rented, top and bottom, for a total of $1750/mo on new(?) leases.

The only work I think it immediately needs is fixing the back steps and a few roof repairs. Nothing that would break the bank. Now I'm not an expert and have not had it inspected or appraised yet, so I could be wrong and it might need a complete tearoff. Or a new furnace. BUT...

As it stands, the numbers look damn good to me. Is it the nicest house I could get? Absolutely not. But I wouldn't have to finance and could potentially do the whole deal myself, which would be nice. What are your thoughts BP?

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Waukegan, IL · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 35 votes
10y

Yes, it is a welcoming group. We are trying to attract more investors that are active and willing to share experience and knowledge, but it is a challenge. Join us tonight the 12th. Hope to see you. Bill

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  • Real Estate Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2014 · 226 posts · 89 votes
    11y

    Can you keep it rented and collect? Don't buy just because of the numbers. Also why is the seller getting out of this amazing deal since it's rented?

    If you give me some cross streets I can look for you at other elements such as crime, schools, rent/price trends in that area. 

  • Client Advisor · Lake Bluff, IL · Member since 2013 · 36 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Hi Bogdan, thanks for the respionse. I apologize for the delay in my own. 

    The property is nearby Great Lakes Naval Base, which is very large; in fact the largest Naval base in the United States and the second largest military installment in Illinois. Wiki page on it says 40,000 recruits pass through annually with around 7,000 stationed there at any given time. Upstairs tenant is in the reserves and has been there for a year and a half and has no plans to move. Downstairs tenant just moved in and is signed on a one year lease and has extended family in 3 or 4 of the surrounding houses so I believe they would also be a longer term tenant. Even beyond those, I believe that I won't run into many vacancy issues.

    Despite the sellers opinion that the property needs "no work", I believe there are a number of things my partner and I would like to remedy. We are giving people and we want to make our tenants lives better with some upgrades here and there. Furnace is about 5 years old, new vinyl flooring upstairs and downstairs, and new vinyl windows. So we've got some of the big things taken care of already. Obviously we're seeking to do an inspection and have the property appraised, but I think we are in a good starting position. At a $65,000 purchase price, with a 5% 30 year mortgage, PITI comes to $700/mo with rents bringing in $1750.

    What do you think?

  • Client Advisor · Lake Bluff, IL · Member since 2013 · 36 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Also forgot to mention that we are intending to make an offer on it tomorrow. 

  • Waukegan, IL · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 35 votes
    11y

    Depending on where it is, that is not a bad deal.  We try to buy multi units for $30K or less in Waukegan, and only in the good areas….nothing on the south side and northing east of Lewis/south of Grand…it is street by street in many areas.  

    Waukegan is a town you do not have to rent section 8, lots of great market renters, and the naval base is a great source of clients.  We have 160 units in and around Waukegan….great market.  Good luck with the property!!

    And if you are looking for ongoing education, check out your local REIA.

  • Waukegan, IL · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 35 votes
    11y

    Hi Andrew,

    So did you purchase the duplex?  If so, where is it?

    BP

  • Client Advisor · Lake Bluff, IL · Member since 2013 · 36 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Hi Bill,

    Sorry for the lack of response and updates here. I decided against making an offer at the time as it wasn't right. Since my last post, the price has dropped from $70k to $50k, so I think I made the right choice. However, that just furthers my view that the numbers work and I think it's a good deal. 

    That being said...it is both South of Grand and East of Lewis haha Is that a hard and fast rule to not go there? Area 2-3 blocks south of this place was pretty rough, but I didn't think this block was all too bad. It sounds like Waukegan, as a city, has big development plans for the next 10 years. They want to clear out the lakefront and make it more walkable, have a beach. Any idea, have you heard of this?

    Do you see Waukegan gentrifying slowly? Is it getting better or worse?

  • Waukegan, IL · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    10y
    I used to go to that catholic school and was born and raised in Waukegan. The area you are describing is at the heart of the ghetto my friend. Ive gotten robbed walking home from school there. Gang violence, burglary, and even murders happen around there.
  • Waukegan, IL · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 35 votes
    10y
    Andrew, Sounds like a good deal. Call to discuss anytime. My office is 1 minute from that property. Bill 2246564353
  • Real Estate Agent · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 173 posts · 85 votes
    10y

    @Andrew Stack Hi Andrew - did you end up finding a property in Waukegan or another close area?

    @William Powers Hi William - Based upon your comments above it sounds like you're doing very well in the Lake County market!  What cities do you own property in?  

    I grew up in Wadsworth and currently live in Chicago.  My wife and I own two 3 flats in Chicago and we've house hacked both of them.  I'm interested in learning more about investing in Lake County as I see my wife and I raising a family in that area in the next year or two.  I see that there is a real estate club that meets every 2nd Tuesday of the month at Primo's (it will always be known as Inn-Laws to me).  I was thinking about going to the July meeting in 2 weeks.  Do you know how welcome new people are at the meetups?  I would like to start to meet other investors in the Lake County area.

  • Waukegan, IL · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 35 votes
    10y

    Yes, it is a welcoming group. We are trying to attract more investors that are active and willing to share experience and knowledge, but it is a challenge. Join us tonight the 12th. Hope to see you. Bill

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 143 posts · 61 votes
    10y

    Lol yes, the very heart of the ghetto. Places outside military bases are typically not desired in my opinion. The general idea that most members have is that its always ghetto around a base. Most people typically make a good 30min drive. I'm military and also lived exclusively in those exact areas for 7-8 yrs. You know at one point in time, zion wasn't too bad at all but 2008 tore that place up and the illinois cleaned up by throwing 5-600 a month tax bills. You know this is like the 4th or 5th time i'm coming across someone mentioning waukegan so i may look into it too lol.

  • Real Estate Agent · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2y

    So funny to read this $70k from 9 years ago. Now 2 units in Waukegan sell $200-300s :) 2br 1ba apartments at $700 then and now they go $1300

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