Advice in a Deal Analysis in Richmond, VA

Advice in a Deal Analysis in Richmond, VA

Accountant · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 2 votes

Hi everyone,

I am currently analysis a deal in Richmond, VA in North Chesterfield. Its a Buy and Hold. This is my first deal, I am doing a buy and hold strategy for a 3 bed 2 bath house around the Midlothian area.

Purchase Price: 150,000

Mortgage with taxes and Insurance: 740

Maintenance cost: 74/month ( had the house inspected and its in really great shape only minor cosmetic things)

Total Expense: 814

Rent Range: 1100-1300 

Expected Rent:1,150

Expected Cash Flow: 336

Is this a good deal? Any advice or recommendations would be really appreciated. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    Not offering advice, but eager to hear the responses.  

    Good luck Paul.  

  • Specialist · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2014 · 528 posts · 226 votes
    11y

    @Paul Rolon

    Your PITI looks pretty low. Can you break out each for us.

    Also you will need to set aside money each month for vacancies (1month/12months =8.3% of gross rent), CapEx (typically 275/month) and property management (even though you will managing yourself, you need to be paid)

    Check this link out for CapEx explanation.

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2015/03/03...

    The deal isn't looking so good anymore is it?  With a purchase price of 150k you need rents well over 1500/month. 

  • Investor · Jasper GA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    @paul rolon

    $1,150 rent on a $150K investment is a little low for me.  I'm grew up in Richmond and visit there often. I still have a 3-1 rental in Southside that rents for $900 and will go on the market next month for $85-90K. My house probably won't have the appreciation the one you are buying will but cash flows a little better.

    I like Midlothian and think it's a great area.  I'd shoot for a little more rent.

    Good Luck

  • Accountant · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    11y

    I have a 3% loan 30 year fixed for up to 150k. I am going to put 12,500 down which is 7.5%, i used a VA Loan.

    I was able to get a VA grant and the seller to pay all the closing cost. The mortgage is 579.71, taxes 110.38 and insurance is 50. But yeah i didn't even think of the vacancy and the cap exp. After factoring those cost with 1150 my annual return is -0.20%. Yeah this deal sucks. lol Even if I raise the rent to the max at 1,300 my return its only 5.8%. Thank you for the advice this is probably why there is so many similar listings like this one out there.

  • Investor · Fairfax Station, VA · Member since 2014 · 95 posts · 23 votes
    11y

    @Paul Rolon

    Seems like you have it good with the va loan and getting the seller to pay closing costs.  Now you just need him to lower his price.  

    I like to eyeball deals first and if it was 150k and that was what I was going to pay for it then id at least have to make 1500 in rent.

    If I see that's a possibility then I run all expenses.

    So you really need to offer him something that would make sense to you and not offer his asking price.  

    Try to never run numbers based on a high rent.  It will more than likely never be that number and if it is it's a bonus.

    For reference: I just bought a 4/2 in chesterfield for 98,500 and am listing it for 1195 to rent.   

    Try a lower offer if you really like the place and it doesn't need much work.

    Best of luck

  • Accountant · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    11y

    Getting the price lowered is gonna be hard giving that its a short sale. The current seller bought the house for 180k. Its a great property acre lot, with really high quality upgrades in the house. Its fit more for primary residence than renting actually.

    May I ask if the 98,500 purchase price was with move-in ready or where there renovation expenses to it? 100,000 for the areas I am looking at would be so ideal. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 25 votes
    11y

    Speaking from what I've read on other posts on this forum, but not from my own experience.... if the numbers don't look good (which they don't accoridng to most other posters here) and you can't get the seller down, then it's okay to walk away. Don't get caught up in the sunk time cost myth.

  • Accountant · Richmond, VA · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    11y

    Thanks for all the advice guys, its looks like its not a good deal, I will be walking away from it. It looks like I need to shot for properties under 100k  around the areas that I want to rent too, might have to do some rehab work.

    Thanks again for everyone's input

  • Herndon, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 324 votes
    11y

    I think that property isn't right for a buy and hold rental, but you don't necessarily have to go under 100K.  

    It sounds like the lot and the high-end finishes are adding value that isn't compensated for in the rental market.

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