Successfully Purchased 2nd House using Rent by the Room

Successfully Purchased 2nd House using Rent by the Room

Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 9 votes

(I just posted this as my first blog, but it's my first success story also)

Strategy

Rent by the Room (RBTR) allows me to maximize the rental income from a home, while still having long-term tenants on leases. Instead of renting out the whole house, I rent out each room individually. Vacancies are minimized because I just have to find one person to rent one room at a time, rather than a family or group to rent the whole house. Also, the price per room can be varied which allows me to dial into the market rate each time a new rooms comes available to rent.

RBTR – House #1

I purchased my first home in Denver in 2010 with the intention of renting out the rooms to offset my expenses. At that time, I needed to find something that wouldn't require much work because I had very little cash. I found the home on the open market and it had been newly remodeled so no rehab was required. It was a 3/2 with an unfinished basement and I purchased it using a first time home buyer program through CHFA, which required only $1000 down. My first renter was my cousin and within a couple weeks I had filled the last open room. The rental income covered my mortgage and part of the utilities which was great!

My next step was to save up enough cash to build-out the basement into an apartment and add another renter. After a couple of years I was ready and received 3 quotes from contractors, which I determined to be too high and decided to do the work myself. After a year of construction the project was complete and I found another renter to occupy the basement. At this point, the rental income was covering all of my expenses and providing some positive CF each month. At this point I was living for free!

RBTR – House #2

At this point I had owned the house for roughly 5 years. I moved companies and was now commuting from south Denver to Boulder every day, which was taking a toll. I wanted to purchase another home and move closer to work so I figured I could repeat the model of the first home. The RE market in Denver had grown significantly and I couldn't find another 3/2 home that I could apply the same model to. I decided to find a larger home so that I could rent out more rooms from the start, so I found a 4/2 which would allow me to cover the mortgage from day 1 using 3 renters instead of 2.

Side Note: This is also about the point in time where I joined Bigger Pockets! I began working with Matt McKay, who is a local RE agent and BP member, to talk RE strategies and facilitate the purchase. My two brothers are also RE investors and serve as great resources for advice and strategizing.

With my salary, qualifying for a second property took some work, but since I had several years of rental income on the books, the first house was now seen as “self-sufficient” from the lender’s perspective, which allowed me to qualify for another owner occupied loan. I made several offers and finally went under contract. Some rehab was required so I re-finished the wood floors and completely gutted and remodeled the two upstairs full bathrooms to make them attractive to prospective tenants. Immediately after closing on the property I began the demo work on the bathrooms that night, with the idea that I could complete the project and have the rooms rented before my first mortgage payment was due. Amazingly enough I had one tenant move in BEFORE the bathroom renovations were complete and the other two moved in within days of project completion.

Converting House #1 to a Stand-Alone Rental

Now it was time to move into house #2. I needed a process to keep the RBTR strategy alive. I offered one of the current tenants whom I trusted the job of property manager. In exchange for a break on the rent, master bedroom, and a garage spot their duty was to manage the property. They are responsible for collecting the rent, finding new renters whenever required, common area cleanliness, and reporting on any required maintenance. After I moved out of the house the extra room was rented within two weeks and the additional CF creates a sustainable income generating property. Success!

General Comments about using RBTR

The RBTR strategy can be great, but it certainly has its’ challenges. It’s not for everyone, but in my case I was young, did not have a lot of cash, and was planning to live with other people anyways so it has been a great way to get into the real estate investing world.

Here are few comments about using this strategy (in no particular order):

  • Develop a good tenant screening process
  • Discuss rules and expectations before the tenant moves in. It much easier to enforce something that has been previously agreed to.
  • Be fair on rent and how to treat your tenants. Quality tenants find quality deals.
  • Collect a deposit before the tenant moves in. A deposit does not count as last month’s rent.
  • Meet face-to-face and/or skype before the tenant moves in. Texts don’t count as a screening.
  • Do not settle for an awkward situation just to get the room filled – it only gets worse
  • Try to find tenants with opposite schedules so not everyone is home at the same time
  • Try to find tenants with similarities. Sometimes your tenants become great friends!
  • My rates for RBTR range from $625 - $750 per month
  • If someone needs to move out due to life circumstances, be fair and work with them.
  • You can rent your extra garage spaces
  • I’ve found all of my tenant on craigslist
  • Have a good lease agreement
  • Use a background check tool
  • Learn to let the little things go
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Linda WeygantPro Member
Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
10y
Originally posted by @Mindy Jensen:

@Linda Weygant has had success with this approach, too.

 Thanks for the mention, Mindy.

We have one 4 bedroom house that we run this way.  We provide everything - furnished living room and kitchen with basic cooking needs, plates, silverware, etc.  It is up to each tenant to furnish their bedroom.

They are all in for their rent payment (currently $600 - $700 depending on the size of their bedrooms and location).  They get water, electric, internet and basic cable with a DVR.  I live 4 blocks away, so I stop in at the beginning of the month and collect rent from a strong box mounted to the kitchen wall.  They leave notes for me (and each other) on the fridge for non emergency repair requests.

However, they have worked out house rules among themselves for quiet hours and have figured out a rotating schedule for who takes the cans to the curb, who buys things like toilet paper, paper towels, dish soap, etc.

We have another townhouse in the same complex that rents to a traditional family for $1975.  The one that we split by the room gets us $2575.  The additional expenses for the internet, electric and cable are $300, so we're netting an additional $300 by handling it this way.

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  • Background Screener, Real Estate Investor/Agent · Camas, WA. · Member since 2015 · 21 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    Suggestion, might try listing your rooms on AIRBNB as a way to further expand your market to keeping rooms rented etc or capturing higher rates for the rooms.  I would be interested in discussing your tenant screening process.  

    Jeremiah Stephen 

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    Hey Jeremiah - Thank you for your comment. I have considered the AirBnb, however it doesn't really fit my desire to have long-term tenants. I agree that I could potentially increase my income, but with the added work of daily/weekly coordination and turnover. Right now it takes work to find someone, and then no work for the 6 months or year that they stay. I also feel like it would be disruptive to other tenants that feel like this is "home" and a stranger is coming over to stay the night. Also, I would have to furnish the room, whereas currently I rent them starting out empty. I suppose I could also decide to rent it long term furnished if I moved away from the Airbnb. Regardless, that is a good option to keep in the back pocket if I can't find renters for some reason. 

    My screening process has the typical income, background, face to face components, but I also think experience helps. After going through 15+ tenants and screening hundred of candidates I have a pretty good feel for someone after a phone call and in-person meeting. It's also important to ask specific and direct questions to bring out real dialogue, so even though we might only talk for 30 minutes, I dig into all the important aspects of living together. Do you have any specific questions regarding screening?

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    @Tim Jones

    Welcome to the world of rooming houses.  A little more management intensive, but you can earn more money.   We have a couple for which our target clientele international students.

  • New to Real Estate · Castle Rock, CO · Member since 2014 · 172 posts · 66 votes
    10y

    Were you including utilities with the rooms?  Average tenant length?  How did you deal with small issues, such as trash, too many guests,noise etc.?  

    I've looked into this in my town and these are some questions I've wondered about. 

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    @Nathan Patterson

    Our experience with rooming houses has taught us things run best when you have a Den Mother resident in the property - this person enforces the rules, deals with tenant drama; ensures all roomers are respectful of one another and that they do their part to keep the common areas clean.

    This Den Mother/Superintendent must be someone you trust and can rely upon:  in the OPs example, he was the Den Mother.

  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    I get concerned that there's so much more work involved with these.

    - Collecting rent from more people instead of just one payment per property

    - More transient people meaning more vacancies

    - Having to disrupt your current tenant's with showings for the vacancies

    - Tenant drama between each other

    - Dealing with ordinances about # of unrelated people in one building

  • Huachuca City, AZ · Member since 2015 · 13 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    I like this idea but as far as the den mother were did you advertise? Because I do believe you need someone on the property. Also what about if you have a property in another state. Do you leave it up to the den mother to advertise and keep the rooms rented out? My partner and I are getting ready to get another house. Any suggestions because on our first we are looking to add a studio apartment.

  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Tim Jones:

    (I just posted this as my first blog, but it's my first success story also)

    Strategy

    Rent by the Room (RBTR) allows me to maximize the rental income from a home, while still having long-term tenants on leases. Instead of renting out the whole house, I rent out each room individually. Vacancies are minimized because I just have to find one person to rent one room at a time, rather than a family or group to rent the whole house. Also, the price per room can be varied which allows me to dial into the market rate each time a new rooms comes available to rent.

    RBTR – House #1

    I purchased my first home in Denver in 2010 with the intention of renting out the rooms to offset my expenses. At that time, I needed to find something that wouldn't require much work because I had very little cash. I found the home on the open market and it had been newly remodeled so no rehab was required. It was a 3/2 with an unfinished basement and I purchased it using a first time home buyer program through CHFA, which required only $1000 down. My first renter was my cousin and within a couple weeks I had filled the last open room. The rental income covered my mortgage and part of the utilities which was great!

    My next step was to save up enough cash to build-out the basement into an apartment and add another renter. After a couple of years I was ready and received 3 quotes from contractors, which I determined to be too high and decided to do the work myself. After a year of construction the project was complete and I found another renter to occupy the basement. At this point, the rental income was covering all of my expenses and providing some positive CF each month. At this point I was living for free!

    RBTR – House #2

    At this point I had owned the house for roughly 5 years. I moved companies and was now commuting from south Denver to Boulder every day, which was taking a toll. I wanted to purchase another home and move closer to work so I figured I could repeat the model of the first home. The RE market in Denver had grown significantly and I couldn't find another 3/2 home that I could apply the same model to. I decided to find a larger home so that I could rent out more rooms from the start, so I found a 4/2 which would allow me to cover the mortgage from day 1 using 3 renters instead of 2.

    Side Note: This is also about the point in time where I joined Bigger Pockets! I began working with Matt McKay, who is a local RE agent and BP member, to talk RE strategies and facilitate the purchase. My two brothers are also RE investors and serve as great resources for advice and strategizing.

    With my salary, qualifying for a second property took some work, but since I had several years of rental income on the books, the first house was now seen as “self-sufficient” from the lender’s perspective, which allowed me to qualify for another owner occupied loan. I made several offers and finally went under contract. Some rehab was required so I re-finished the wood floors and completely gutted and remodeled the two upstairs full bathrooms to make them attractive to prospective tenants. Immediately after closing on the property I began the demo work on the bathrooms that night, with the idea that I could complete the project and have the rooms rented before my first mortgage payment was due. Amazingly enough I had one tenant move in BEFORE the bathroom renovations were complete and the other two moved in within days of project completion.

    Converting House #1 to a Stand-Alone Rental

    Now it was time to move into house #2. I needed a process to keep the RBTR strategy alive. I offered one of the current tenants whom I trusted the job of property manager. In exchange for a break on the rent, master bedroom, and a garage spot their duty was to manage the property. They are responsible for collecting the rent, finding new renters whenever required, common area cleanliness, and reporting on any required maintenance. After I moved out of the house the extra room was rented within two weeks and the additional CF creates a sustainable income generating property. Success!

    General Comments about using RBTR

    The RBTR strategy can be great, but it certainly has its’ challenges. It’s not for everyone, but in my case I was young, did not have a lot of cash, and was planning to live with other people anyways so it has been a great way to get into the real estate investing world.

    Here are few comments about using this strategy (in no particular order):

    • Develop a good tenant screening process
    • Discuss rules and expectations before the tenant moves in. It much easier to enforce something that has been previously agreed to.
    • Be fair on rent and how to treat your tenants. Quality tenants find quality deals.
    • Collect a deposit before the tenant moves in. A deposit does not count as last month’s rent.
    • Meet face-to-face and/or skype before the tenant moves in. Texts don’t count as a screening.
    • Do not settle for an awkward situation just to get the room filled – it only gets worse
    • Try to find tenants with opposite schedules so not everyone is home at the same time
    • Try to find tenants with similarities. Sometimes your tenants become great friends!
    • My rates for RBTR range from $625 - $750 per month
    • If someone needs to move out due to life circumstances, be fair and work with them.
    • You can rent your extra garage spaces
    • I’ve found all of my tenant on craigslist
    • Have a good lease agreement
    • Use a background check tool
    • Learn to let the little things go

     This sounds like a very interesting concept! How does it seem to be working out so far?

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    @Roy N. - Thanks for your comments. Good call on the den mother! Even while living there myself I found that having one female in the house really helps the balance. People tend to be more clean and respectful. 

    @Nathan Patterson - I've found that it is much cleaner to include the utilities in the rent. That way they pay a flat fee every month and there is very little discussion about money. As far as the rental ad I say something like "Base rent is $600, plus a flat fee of $50/month in utilities. Total rent is $650/month". 

    My average tenant length is about a year. One guy stayed for 5 years, most for a year, a couple for 6 months, and one other stayed for 1 month. I require a minimum of a 6 month lease, but sometimes life circumstance requires that someone moves out early and I work with them.

    Small issues I try to tackle up front with the "expectations" discussion before they move in. Community items such as trash, dishes, and cleanup should be a group effort. I lead by example, and respectfully ask people to step up when they are slacking. I've also found that a group house cleaning event can get the whole place clean in 30 minutes, so that works well. I let people know that the house isn't available for large parties, but it's of course OK for people to have guests as long as they are respectful.

    @Dawn Anastasi - Thank you for your comments and questions.

    -Rent Collection: The designated property manager is responsible for collecting rent and delivering all of the checks to me. For the rooms I rent at my house it's pretty easy to gather up the rent since I live there with them. I've had some late payments, but I charge a $25 late fee per week, so I end up getting more money.

    -Vacancies: I work hard to create an environment that people enjoy living in so I have very little vacancies. Although when one person moves out, at least it's just one room, rather than the whole property. I have found that I can fill the rooms fast, but Denver has a strong rental market so perhaps that is not the case everywhere.

    -Showings: I inform the other tenants that I'll be showing a room and I've never found it to be very disruptive. If anything it seems like the tenants are more interested to see who the new people might be.

    -Drama: I do my best during the screening/interview process to find people that are level headed and respectful. Drama happens of course, but it's been pretty rare over 6 years. Some issues I just let people work out, and sometimes I've had to step in and moderate. This is just part of the game, but I haven't found it to be a common issue. Most of my tenants have become friends and tend to hang out with each other. 

    -Ordinances: I haven't ran into this issue. But it's something i'm investigating.

  • Bill S.Pro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    @Tim Jones you may want to consider using a debiting service to collect rent rather than putting the money in the hands of the resident manager. It is possible you could get into "I gave it to him and he lost it scenario."

    Debit their bank accounts each month. ClearNow and Erentpayments are companies that do this. It costs a few bucks but is well worth it IMO. 

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    @Bill S. - That's a great suggestion. I've recently been turned on the the App called "Venmo". It seems pretty slick, in that you can request payments from people. It has a tracking feature and it's free. Technically my lease requires them to use direct deposit, but that hasn't proven to be an easy thing for people to set up so I'm exploring other options.

    Does anyone have experience with Venmo?

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Great post. I had a few questions/suggestions:

    1. In one of your replies you mentioned a minimum term of 6 month leases. In a rooming situation my first thought would be that month to month agreements would be the safest for you. Since you don't know how well your tenants will get along, it may be a good idea to have a system in place for getting someone out before things get bad. I only use annual leases but I do not rent by the room.

    2. Utilities - Are they in your name? Maybe it would work to have them in the name of the "den mother" instead of you. If the payer is living there then there is incentive for them to keep costs down. You can still include a cost of utilities within each tenant's rent. Just an idea... I'd also recommend only including the most basic utilities (heat, water, electric). If the tenants want cable/internet, let them sign up for it themselves.

    Keep up the good work! I'm glad it is working out for you.

  • Bill S.Pro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    @Tim Jones you should explore ClearNow and Erentpayments further. ClearNow is very simple to set up. You/they fill out one form when they signed the lease and then it happens each and every month with NO action on the part of you or the tenant. It is great. I use it. 

    Erentpayments offers a similar service but they have a number of options that can be confusing as most of options require the tenant to log in and actually pay rent each month. 

    There are tons of other options as well.

    It's one thing to be living there and collect the rents vs having a third party handling money.

  • Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2014 · 397 posts · 161 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Bill S.:

    @Tim Jones you should explore ClearNow and Erentpayments further. ClearNow is very simple to set up. You/they fill out one form when they signed the lease and then it happens each and every month with NO action on the part of you or the tenant. It is great. I use it. 

    Erentpayments offers a similar service but they have a number of options that can be confusing as most of options require the tenant to log in and actually pay rent each month. 

    There are tons of other options as well.

    It's one thing to be living there and collect the rents vs having a third party handling money.

     Thank you Bill as we appreciate the mention!  We actually offer both a form option and online registration for tenants depending on your preference.  Thanks again!

  • Realtor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Tim Jones Congrats again on the 2nd home, and thank you for letting me help you close this deal;) I'm ready when you are for the next one!

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    10y

    @Linda Weygant has had success with this approach, too.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    I have to admit that the zoning situation would be my biggest concern. 

    I would think it really depends on the type of tenants, that you have. In Atlanta, rooming houses usually have tenants, that are low-income and who simply can't afford to rent their own place and are therefore renting only a room. 

    Typically, here a rooming house next door brings down your property value and thus neighbors are not very charmed with it and will report. Some areas more than others. 

    I have actually just filed a report on a neighbor, who's trying to convert his next door duplex to an airline sleeping pad - 2 beds per room - small 700sqf 3/1 on each side. People would be coming and going at all times of the day and night. Not good for adjoining properties.

  • Jean BolgerPro Member
    Aurora, CO · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    As the Denver market  tightens up I think more buyers will want to consider this strategy. Thanks for the detailed post about how you've approached it!

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    @Michaela G.

    We have found that rooming houses typically serve a specific population and do not crossover. Each type requires a different set of management expertise and skills.  In our simplistic classification scheme you have:

    Student rooming house:  As one might expect these are found in the proximity of colleges and universities (typically within walking distance) and may cater to a subset of the student population.  As an example, with our student rooming houses we focus on international students.

    Institutional/Industry rooming house:  Just as student rooming houses tend to be located around a university/college, you will find rooming houses around institution (i.e. hospitals) and major industries/employers (i.e. factory, refinery, port, etc).  Such rooming houses tend to cater to a population of professionals/labourers who have the commonality of employment.

    The social rooming house:  These establishments provide a vital role in housing the "down and out", the mentally ill, the addicted and others on the fringes of society.   We looked as such a rooming house once and quickly concluded we do not have the skill set required to run one of these.   My hat goes off to those who can provide this much needed service.

    @Tim Jones - my reference to a Den Mother does not imply a female, but simply a trusted person - yourself, a family member, or an employee - who resides in the property, keeps the screws turning and the ship on course.

  • Linda WeygantPro Member
    Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Mindy Jensen:

    @Linda Weygant has had success with this approach, too.

     Thanks for the mention, Mindy.

    We have one 4 bedroom house that we run this way.  We provide everything - furnished living room and kitchen with basic cooking needs, plates, silverware, etc.  It is up to each tenant to furnish their bedroom.

    They are all in for their rent payment (currently $600 - $700 depending on the size of their bedrooms and location).  They get water, electric, internet and basic cable with a DVR.  I live 4 blocks away, so I stop in at the beginning of the month and collect rent from a strong box mounted to the kitchen wall.  They leave notes for me (and each other) on the fridge for non emergency repair requests.

    However, they have worked out house rules among themselves for quiet hours and have figured out a rotating schedule for who takes the cans to the curb, who buys things like toilet paper, paper towels, dish soap, etc.

    We have another townhouse in the same complex that rents to a traditional family for $1975.  The one that we split by the room gets us $2575.  The additional expenses for the internet, electric and cable are $300, so we're netting an additional $300 by handling it this way.

  • Apopka, FL · Member since 2015 · 27 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    I love this strategy Tim, it is exactly what I do with my current situation! My landlord is very old and was having a difficult time keeping up with the property so he said if I would property manage it for him I could rent out to tenants of my choosing. In this 3/2, I live in one room and rent out the other furnished rooms at a rate that covers the mortgage plus all fixed and variable utilities.

    This is a nice source of income and expierince  for the new to the industry investor that has yet to purchase their own home, I.E. Me! Love the post, thanks for your breakdown!

  • El Paso, TX · Member since 2016 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    10y
    As a newbie REI, great insights and outputs from everyone. I too was living near my university with two other roommates. They were good people and meant well but the kitchen was always a mess. Our landlord was ok but didn't really didn't really have time for us(myself & two other roommates). If I choose this REI niche in my future, I know of what I didn't like from our landlord and roommates. This experience and knowledge will serve me well up ahead. Thank you everyone for your time.
  • Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 8 posts · 2 votes
    10y
    Great post! I also use this strategy and it has worked out well for me. All the points OP mentioned above are spot on. From my experience, I set up the expectations (cleanliness, quiet, no late guests, etc) upfront in the ad and it weeds out most of the people. It might take a little longer to find the right tenant but it's even more important given this strategy.
  • Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2012 · 4 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    How do you handle evictions/non-payment in this scenario? Thank you!

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 9 votes
    10y
    Great post!! Could some one share their lease contract template for rent by the room?
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