22 Years Old with 20 Units in 10 Months!

22 Years Old with 20 Units in 10 Months!

Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes

10 months ago I was driving up and down every road in this new town of Iron Mountain MI trying to get a feel for the quality of the neighborhoods and characteristics of the market. I still had a few weeks of college left but was likely going to be starting a job in the town after graduation. Having already understood that multi family properties was where I wanted to focus my attention I wanted to take a look at every apartment complex or 4+ unit structure I could find. Knowing I could only afford 4 units as my first purchase I passed by a large complex on a small lake in the center of town and said to my mother who was in the car with me… “Wow, that would be amazing to own!” Given the size of the building, location, and fact that the numbers on the carports went up to 16 I shrugged it off knowing there was no way I could ever afford something like that in the near future.

The day before graduation I received my job offer, and 2 days after graduation I submitted an offer on a 4 unit building in the hopes of living in one unit while renting out the others. I wanted to renovate the units with the idea that within 6 months I could be living rent free with my tenants paying all my bills. After negotiations and inspections I closed on my first deal in June 2015, began my job, and began renovations. 5 months later I had the first major renovations completed and got the building full to achieve my goal of living rent free before the new year.

In October 2015, during the renovations of my last vacant unit my carpet installer gave me a tip on a 16 unit building. So being young and ambitious I figured, “what the hell, why not call and see what the deal looks like.” Well, it ended up being Crystal Lake, that 16 unit that caught my eye on my first property hunt through the town.

After analyzing the numbers, viewing a few units in the property, trying to find investors interested in a partnership and exhausting my network I had to make a phone call and acknowledge my inability to move forward on the deal(I was 100% honest the entire time about my situation). I explained that while I clearly like the deal, unless the owners could provide some sort of owner financing (in the very first conversation the owners were clear about not wanting to do any owner financing) then I couldn't likely make an offer as I didn't have the financing to back it up.

Long story short, the owners came back with an owner financing option, we negotiated and had a signed purchase agreement by the end of January 2016. After getting multiple banks to negotiate on the financing I was able to secure a commercial loan in 1st position with the owner financing in second position all under very favorable terms. I walked into closing today and was only required to put $11,950 down on the building.

If anyone is interested in learning more about my financing structure, negotiation, or cash flow analysis please PM me!

Needless to say, the past 10 months have been very exciting for me. I am 22 years old and now own 20 units. The goal is to hit 150 units by age 30! But why not try to hit that by age 26?

I have to give a big shout out to the BP community for the advice, encouragement, and cautions as I have sought out help through this process. I really cannot imagine I would be where I am today without the BP community to lean on when things have gotten challenging.

For all the newbies, I was one just 10 months ago. Don’t think because you don’t have lots of money or experience you cant make it happen. It took me just $17k in total investment of my own money to secure these 20 units which rent for an average of $600 each (most of the utilities are sub metered too!). Figure out what peoples problems are and try to find the most advantageous way to solve those problems for all parties. It’s a relationship and problem solving game. Do that better then anyone else who is competing for a particular deal and you can surely see substantial success in a short period of time! 

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Investor · Weston, WI · Member since 2016 · 105 posts · 114 votes
10y

I  would love to see the cash flow analysis, and I bet others would to. Can you just post it here for everyone to see?

Congrats man, you are killing it!

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  • Peter TverdovBusiness Member
    Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    Nice story and offers a lot of inspiration. However, I personally will NEVER personally guarantee a loan. I understand people are excited about their business but I only needed to meet one VERY smart and VERY broke individual last year who had personal guarantees on his business when the market tanked in 2008. Very very risky IMO and not worth it to me anyway.

  • Investor · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 7 votes
    9y

    @Joel Florek Awesome Story. Hope you are doing well from our days at MTU, and hope you make it to the sailing goal! Its cool to see someone having success that I know.

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @William Huston How are you doing your calculation to get a 6% cap rate? The property fluctuates between a 9% and 10% cap rate based on performance. $65k(conservative) NOI with a $685k purchase is a 9.4% cap rate.

    You need to think a little deeper on the cashflow piece. Given we don't move the purchase price cashflow changes depending on how you finance a property. Since I am highly leveraged I want to pay down my principle payment faster. To do that I have amortization periods of 10 and 20 years for my two bigger loans. This means I cashflow less today but each month pay down lots of principle(roughly $2k for my portfolio). If cashflow is all I cared about I would want interest only loans but then I wouldn't be building wealth.

    Another point on cashflow is to think of your risks on the property. With commercial loans you have a balloon payment at some point which will require you to refinance. When you do this you expose yourself to interest rate risk. To mitigate this risk the best solution is pay down your property faster so you dont have to take out as big of a loan and can afford to still cashflow with a rate hike of 1% to 3%. 

    Reach out if you want to chat further on anything. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Matt Brechting Thanks for posting and I miss tech but am happy to be out of college in the real world making things happen! Have a daughter on the way due in April! But life is fantastic and I am excited for the adventures to come. Have some potentially very interesting deals I am going to see on Monday or Tuesday next week of which would become extremely post worthy! 

  • Professional · Nashville, TN · Member since 2015 · 29 posts · 25 votes
    9y
    I've never been the jealous type until this post! Congrats man! This is major. I'm still working on my first but it's always great to see success stories such as this one. Keep up the good work!
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Peter Tverdov It is definitely a risk to personally guarantee a loan. A few points to note. 

    When early in your investing career banks are very hesitant to work with you. That being said they want to see skin in the game. Since I am highly leveraged, young, and dont have many personal assets this makes it very difficult to get loans. Every bank I have spoken with has said they would require a personal guarantee from me. Negotiations are all a give and take. The banks did want a personal guarantee from my parents as well and I said "not a chance." They relented on that one since this is my business and my parents are not involved at all. 

    The other point is understanding the risks. Investing in single family rentals can be devastating if the market tanks and you bought very expensive homes. Flipping can get very risky and so can real estate development. But as you get into larger multi family properties the risks start to diminish. Vacancy would have to reach 20% for over a year before I would struggle. Since I have some of the best amenities in my market all I need to do is lower rents to fill those vacancies in a tough time. I run at 2% vacancy right now and could do better if I really pushed myself to work a bit harder but Ive put other systems in place to raise my "other income" category. 

    Do people lose their shirts... yes it does happen but thats business. But understand your breaking points and figure out how to mitigate those risks. I don't amortize loans past 20 years so I can be sure to build enough equity to have room to lower my payments in the future. My loans are at 20 and 10 years only. 

    Its all a matter of personal preference and I respect people who wish to not personally guarantee their loans. But this does make it harder to creatively structure deals and build an investors confidence in you. After all a bank is not just a lender, but an investor in your business. They invest in the person just as much as they invest in the property. 

  • Rochester, MN · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    Hi this might be a dumb question, but what do you mean by personally guarantee? I'm very new to this and am soaking up as much info as possible.

    Dustin

  • Mortgage Consultant · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2016 · 181 posts · 53 votes
    9y
    Great story. I'm excited to see a young man realize the benefits of rei. I'd love to connect and discuss your strategies to get myself moving. 10 months from now I hope to be sharing a similar story.
  • Peter TverdovBusiness Member
    Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Dustin Lewis:

    Hi this might be a dumb question, but what do you mean by personally guarantee? I'm very new to this and am soaking up as much info as possible.

    Dustin

    It means when a financial storm comes, if a few things go wrong you will lose your shirt. No one ever thinks that's going to happen to them when they do a personal guarantee. I do, which is why I won't do them.

  • Vendor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 55 posts · 16 votes
    9y

    Congrats!!

  • Rochester, MN · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    thanks peter

  • O'Fallon, IL · Member since 2016 · 14 posts · 14 votes
    9y

    @Joel Florek Great work and best of luck in the future. 

  • Johannesburg South, Gauteng · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    wow, this is very great when one has real got a desire for something, there's nothing capable to stop them. Am new on the platform but not new in the game though my beginning was very rough.

  • Real Estate Broker · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2015 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Congrats! This is truly inspiring! I wish you continued success in the future. I'm stepping into the world of investment as well, thinking about starting with a multi-family duplex/tri or quad and house hacking with an FHA. This would be my first property. Still analyzing deals, and doing my homework.

    Your story really pushes me to get up and get out there and just do it!

    Best!

  • Investor · Rochester, WA · Member since 2013 · 221 posts · 30 votes
    9y

    Outstanding! Congrats at your young success!

  • Swansea, IL · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 0 votes
    9y

    Wow!!  This is so amazing!  Truly I am rejoicing with you...I myself am on the hunt for townhomes that I can rent out.  The properties avail in my area are selling for approx. $1M to $1.4M.  I didn't think about owner financing...

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @LaMonica Evans

    House hacking a multi is how I got my start and if you can be ok with living in your own rental I think its the best way to get started in real estate investing. You can get a loan easily since its your residence and it allows you to get your feet wet while receiving great financial benefits. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Bristol, CT · Member since 2016 · 30 posts · 17 votes
    9y
    This is truly inspiring! I was under the impression you could do either seller or bank financing, but not both. Does anyone care to elaborate? So what do you do when you go to the bank and they are asking you to put up your 20%? And so when you approach the seller and ask for them to carry 20%, im assuming they want at least 20% of the part they finance.
  • Vendor · Melbourne, Victoria · Member since 2016 · 56 posts · 19 votes
    9y
    Congratulation If you don't ask question, answer can't be found Well done young man👏👏👏👏
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Lillie MAnon Some banks wont finance under this structure. What I would recommend is that you put together your deal packet explaining the property, its past performance, your goals for it and showing your expected future performance. When you do this you will want to have your "ask" or "pitch." This is where you provide a proposed financing structure for the deal. In a case where I am closing an 8 unit right now I asked for 80% from the bank, 10% from the seller and I would bring 10% to the deal. After prorations it will end up being more like 7% but thats the beauty of this! I asked for a 20yr amortization with a rate of 5% and a balloon at 7 years. I got the 80% from the bank, they will allow a 2nd position seller finance piece of 10% and they did 20yrs at 4.5% with a 5 year balloon. 

    Again, not all banks will do this structure but shop around and have a good loan packet for the bank and you will eventually find someone who can help you. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Angela Przulj Thank you very much. Picked up another 3 this summer and closing an 8 right now to get me up to 31. Moved states, switched jobs and had a baby since closing the 16 unit last year so its been a fun adventure over the past 18 months! 

  • Kannapolis, NC · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    This is a very inspiring read, I'm looking at my first purchase now. I'm worried about the whole cash down problem as well. Most banks Ive looked at ask for ridiculous percentages down. So I'm still searching, but your story def. gives me hope!

  • St. Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 10 votes
    9y
    @JoelFlorek Man... inspiring! Got a couple questions for you but can't figure out how to PM you on my phone... what's the secret??? To PMing ... and REI!
  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2017 · 38 posts · 12 votes
    8y

    This is amazing. Im 22 years old currently - will be graduating next year. Would like to do the same exact thing. work and buy properties. Never gave the owner-occupied rentals much thought until recently. probably better to try and live frugal for a little bit while putting the majority of money back into the company. thanks for sharing. very inspirational 

  • Ridgewood, NY · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 24 votes
    8y

    @joel florek were you still working in your new job when you graduated from college? Do you need to be working in jobs for Banks to approve of your financing? 

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