22 Years Old with 20 Units in 10 Months!

22 Years Old with 20 Units in 10 Months!

Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes

10 months ago I was driving up and down every road in this new town of Iron Mountain MI trying to get a feel for the quality of the neighborhoods and characteristics of the market. I still had a few weeks of college left but was likely going to be starting a job in the town after graduation. Having already understood that multi family properties was where I wanted to focus my attention I wanted to take a look at every apartment complex or 4+ unit structure I could find. Knowing I could only afford 4 units as my first purchase I passed by a large complex on a small lake in the center of town and said to my mother who was in the car with me… “Wow, that would be amazing to own!” Given the size of the building, location, and fact that the numbers on the carports went up to 16 I shrugged it off knowing there was no way I could ever afford something like that in the near future.

The day before graduation I received my job offer, and 2 days after graduation I submitted an offer on a 4 unit building in the hopes of living in one unit while renting out the others. I wanted to renovate the units with the idea that within 6 months I could be living rent free with my tenants paying all my bills. After negotiations and inspections I closed on my first deal in June 2015, began my job, and began renovations. 5 months later I had the first major renovations completed and got the building full to achieve my goal of living rent free before the new year.

In October 2015, during the renovations of my last vacant unit my carpet installer gave me a tip on a 16 unit building. So being young and ambitious I figured, “what the hell, why not call and see what the deal looks like.” Well, it ended up being Crystal Lake, that 16 unit that caught my eye on my first property hunt through the town.

After analyzing the numbers, viewing a few units in the property, trying to find investors interested in a partnership and exhausting my network I had to make a phone call and acknowledge my inability to move forward on the deal(I was 100% honest the entire time about my situation). I explained that while I clearly like the deal, unless the owners could provide some sort of owner financing (in the very first conversation the owners were clear about not wanting to do any owner financing) then I couldn't likely make an offer as I didn't have the financing to back it up.

Long story short, the owners came back with an owner financing option, we negotiated and had a signed purchase agreement by the end of January 2016. After getting multiple banks to negotiate on the financing I was able to secure a commercial loan in 1st position with the owner financing in second position all under very favorable terms. I walked into closing today and was only required to put $11,950 down on the building.

If anyone is interested in learning more about my financing structure, negotiation, or cash flow analysis please PM me!

Needless to say, the past 10 months have been very exciting for me. I am 22 years old and now own 20 units. The goal is to hit 150 units by age 30! But why not try to hit that by age 26?

I have to give a big shout out to the BP community for the advice, encouragement, and cautions as I have sought out help through this process. I really cannot imagine I would be where I am today without the BP community to lean on when things have gotten challenging.

For all the newbies, I was one just 10 months ago. Don’t think because you don’t have lots of money or experience you cant make it happen. It took me just $17k in total investment of my own money to secure these 20 units which rent for an average of $600 each (most of the utilities are sub metered too!). Figure out what peoples problems are and try to find the most advantageous way to solve those problems for all parties. It’s a relationship and problem solving game. Do that better then anyone else who is competing for a particular deal and you can surely see substantial success in a short period of time! 

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Investor · Weston, WI · Member since 2016 · 105 posts · 114 votes
10y

I  would love to see the cash flow analysis, and I bet others would to. Can you just post it here for everyone to see?

Congrats man, you are killing it!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    10y

    @Rotimi Lademo yes, I have been working at the job fulltime for the past 15 months. I am actually leaving to make a move south to Indiana with my girlfriend though so I will be managing remotely with a team on the ground.

  • Aiken, SC · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    I may be a little late to the post but this is exactly what I needed to read! hopefully you are well on your way to 100!

  • West Lafayette, IN · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    Wow. That's amazing!

  • Real Estate Agent · Boise, ID · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    Awesome story, congrats Joel! I am a new realtor and plan on getting into the investing side as soon as possible. I would love to learn from successful people like yourself. Thank you for sharing!

  • Logan AllecBusiness Member
    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 980 votes
    9y

    @Joel Florek, congratulations!  I hate to ask the obvious question, and I'm sorry if it's already been answered, but how the heck were you able to submit an offer on a 4-unit property two days after graduating college?  I assume you financed since I assume you didn't save enough money throughout college to make an all-cash offer on 4- units (or perhaps that is possible at the price points in your area?).

    I ask because I desperately tried to buy a 3- or 4-unit my first year out of college, and even though I had good income and decent savings from my job and working through college, banks wouldn't even look at me because I didn't have two years of work history.

    Is there some strategy I missed?  Granted, I didn't know what BiggerPockets was back then.  I would love to help my college-aged siblings get into property before entering the real world, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do so without taking on some risk myself, and as I am still in my 20s as well and seeking to get established with my own asset base, I am not yet in a position to do so.  Any advice would be appreciated!

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  • Lithia Springs, GA · Member since 2016 · 37 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    Wow @Joel Florek. That is impressive. I'm sure you'll make your goal of 150 units by 26. Keep it up!

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Logan Allec happy to answer questions and be totally open. I went with a commercial loan rather than a traditional mortgage backed by the government. Not as favorable of terms but this got around a lot of the red tape people usually get stuck with and allowed us to close in under 30 days as was the same with the 16 unit. I was fortunate my parents could loan me $25k at 8%. for legal purposes we structured it has a gift. With that money I could provide the 20% down that the bank needed for the $125k purchase price. My parents also cosigned the loan to help the bank feel more cozy. On the 16 unit the bank wanted them to cosign as well but I pushed back and said "if you want to do business with me then it will be only with me for this deal and all moving forward". The bank didn't require cosigning on the 16 unit. On the 4 unit I also provided my letter of employment and had a starting salary at $65k which in our area will go a long way. 

    Regardless its a local bank that is a very strong and aggressive lender in the commercial space. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Jebo Aho@Lisa Renee @Daniel Ortiz @Anran Wang Thanks for the kind words! Love this community for the positivity it brings to a financial tool that can make a hugely positive impact in peoples lives! Let me know if I can ever help anyone! 

  • Logan AllecBusiness Member
    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 980 votes
    9y

    @Joel Florek, thank you so much for your insight!  Definitely going to start thinking about helping my siblings secure a commercial loan!  So you were able to get commercial lending at 20%?  Very cool!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Logan Allec The bank wanted to be at 75% LTV based on appraised value. Since I bought under value this worked out for me. My down payment was only 20% borrowed from family.

    On the 16 unit it was the same lending requirements but instead of family money I did a seller 2nd mortgage and I got a personal loan through wells fargo based on my income to combine together for the needed 20% based on purchase price.

  • Investor · El Dorado Hills, CA · Member since 2016 · 75 posts · 24 votes
    9y

    Very Impressive @Joel Florek. Congratulations and Kudos to you!!!. Several things in your post, you are very clear in your Goal, Very action Oriented and determined and a Good Problem Solver :-)

    Wish you many more success to you @Joel Florek!!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 27 posts · 10 votes
    9y

    Congrats. This is exactly what I am looking to accomplish and you have started at an early age. 

  • Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 111 posts · 34 votes
    9y

    Congrats! You definitely have the right mindset. Do you plan to continue to invest in Michigan? Do you have an LLC?

  • Realtor · Farmington, MI · Member since 2016 · 129 posts · 69 votes
    9y

    Hello Joel: Congratulations young man !

    We are so happy for you in BP.

    My wish is others here will get inspired and replicate your success

    Would love to have a conversation with you. I'm interested in doing the same.

    How do i get hold of you ?

    Thanks

    Kishore. P

  • Houghton, MI · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    Joel,

    I appreciate this post as I am just starting out in REI and seeing stories like this definitely keep me motivated to keep learning and searching for my first deal! Wish you the best in your future endeavors!

    Devin Holombo 

  • Rental Property Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 343 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Joel Florek Congrats on your success. I have some questions for you. Did you use an fha or conventional loan for your owner occupant loan? And why did you use that particular strategy? Mitch
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Johnathan Alesso I do plan to continue to invest in Michigan but am looking at Wisconsin and Indianapolis as other markets of interest. I do have an LLC for my business.

  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Mitchlyn D.I utilized a commercial loan for my first 4 unit. I wanted to be sure I established a relationship with the commercial lending side of the bank so accepted reduced profit but it clearly paid off when I went to apply for my second loan. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 343 posts · 142 votes
    9y

    Understood. I'm contemplating the same thing for my first owner occupied property. How long did you have to live in it for?

  • Lees Summit, MO · Member since 2016 · 12 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    @Joel Florek Wow thats awesome man! I'm trying to do the exact same thing. Thanks for the inspiration!

  • Livingston County, MI · Member since 2015 · 88 posts · 23 votes
    9y
    Joel Florek man this is an awesome story/post! Congrats on doing big things. Keep up the good work man!
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Mitchlyn D. There were no rules for how long I had to live in it. The bank just understood I was living there when I bought it. Just be sure to watch your insurance policy. I had to switch policies when I decided to move out of the building. Found a competitive price after shopping but its a liability you need to be conscious of. 

  • New to Real Estate · NJ · Member since 2016 · 34 posts · 4 votes
    9y
    Joel Florek wow this is very inspiring man. I'm 26 and seeking my first deal. What caught my attention of your post is that I too want to make my first deal a multi family. Preferably a 4 plex and do exactly what you did. Maybe house hack it as well. I'm doing my best with reading all the books I can. I'm all on my own so I don't necessarily have the background. Your story is very motivating man I love your outlook of life and your life goals. I'm trying to get there as well ha. Your story is inspiring. Congrats and keep it up bro. Hope to hear another cool deal like this from you!
  • Rental Property Investor · Michigan City, IN · Member since 2015 · 530 posts · 741 votes
    9y

    @Paul D. Appreciate the kind words and best of luck. Let me know if you ever have any questions. 

  • Trinity, FL · Member since 2016 · 209 posts · 57 votes
    9y

    I am still learning, am i reading this correctly? 

    You're currently making $80ish/unit per month?

    Im seeing a cap rate of 6% correct?

    Sorry if the questions seem negative, im just trying to understand more, i have been looking for minimum $100/unit in my deals ive been analyzing as i stride to buy my first MF. Also i was told by someone i talked to previously that i should stride for 10cap or higher on deals, is this not true?

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