Lake Butler 3/2 Built in 2007 for $65K - Should I Buy?

Lake Butler 3/2 Built in 2007 for $65K - Should I Buy?

Jarred MussenPro Member
Investor · Gainesville, FL · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 6 votes
Hey BP community! I am under contract for a HUD home located in Lake Butler, FL to make it a rental property or a flip. I am new to investing and wanted to find out if other investors would take the risk with the unknowns listed on the seller inspection report pasted below (especially the plumbing situation below since I am unable to get the water turned on) or if it isn't worth it/it's too risky? Purchase Price: $65k Known Fix Up Costs: About $12k of known cosmetic updating. Unknown: Plumbing unknown and electrical wiring currently unknown but could get electricity turned on to find out. ARV: $110k Rental Income: $975 Estimated Monthly Expenses: Debt Service: $274 Taxes: $174 Maint/repairs/CapEx: $165 Vacancy: $110 Insurance: $32 Property Management: $110 Total Cost: $865 per month Monthly Cash Flow: $110 I pasted the inspection report from HUD below. I am not able to get the water turned on for my own inspection so I was wanting to see if other investors would Plumbing: "water lines tested and would not hold pressure, the main line from the tank is malfunctioning and allow air to escape." HOC: Atlanta Property Condition Report Item Description/Condition Item Functionality Functionality/Test Notes _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Cooling/Air-Conditioner: Damaged --Heating/Furnace: Damaged HVAC tested and functional?: --HVAC System Duct: OK _____________________________________ Yes generator by-pass - several rooms would not energize, possibly due to faulty GFI's, the AC would not turn on a visual inspection of all components was conducted and unit appears in good condition. Recommend electrician test the unit same as above duct appears intact _____________________ _____________________________________ generator by-pass home energized the master bedroom and bedroom 3 have GFI breakers in the panel box that would not reset there for the power in those rooms did not work, the GFI in the kitchen and the bathroom would also not reset causing the power to the surrounding outlets not to work Electrical Wiring: Damaged --Other: N/A --Other: N/A _____________________ Electric supply tested and functional?: __________________________________________________________ Yes ____________________ _____________________________________ over is operational there is smoke damage and rust on the stove cabinets are present and intact _____________________________________ Stove/Range/Oven: Damaged --Kitchen Cabinets: OK --Other: N/A Built-in appliances tested and functional?: __________________________________________________________ Plumbing: OK --Sink: N/A --Other: N/A Water supply tested and functional?: Water Heater: OK Yes ____________________ water lines tested and would not hold pressure, the main line from the tank is malfunctioning and allow air to escape. __________________________________________________________ Yes ____________________ _____________________________________ water heater was inspected for rust and visible defects and it appears new _____________________________________ Water heater functional?: _____________________________________ Yes ____________________ Sewer/Septic System: OK --Toilet: N/A --Other: N/A _____________________ Sanitary & plumbing system functional?: __________________________________________________________ Yes ____________________ visual inspection of components conducted with no notable defects no water was introduced due to intact winterization _____________________________________ several shingles were missing or out of place on the roof, no water stains inside nor in the attic Roof: Damaged --Other: N/A Roofing in acceptable condition?: Yes _ __ __ __ __ __ Thanks for any advice provided! Sincerely, Jarred
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Investor · Decatur, GA · Member since 2015 · 56 posts · 38 votes
10y

Offer 40k for it and see if he accepts.

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  • Healthcare · Decatur, GA · Member since 2014 · 31 posts · 11 votes
    10y

    Hi @Jarred Mussen,

    I'm fairly new too. I wouldn't bite, but then again I am risk averse. I'd want to know/ verify everything possible before committing. Why won't they turn on the water? 

  • Jarred MussenPro Member
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    Investor · Gainesville, FL · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Hi @Tapiwa Wakatama,

    It seems like it would be a liability issue and they don't want to take the risk since it doesn't hold pressure.

  • Rental Property Investor · Gainesville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 432 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jarred Mussen:

    Hey BP community!

    I am under contract for a HUD home located in Lake Butler, FL to make it a rental property or a flip. I am new to investing and wanted to find out if other investors would take the risk with the unknowns listed on the seller inspection report pasted below (especially the plumbing situation below since I am unable to get the water turned on) or if it isn't worth it/it's too risky?

    Purchase Price: $65k
    Known Fix Up Costs: About $12k of known cosmetic updating.
    Unknown: Plumbing unknown and electrical wiring currently unknown but could get electricity turned on to find out.
    ARV: $110k
    Rental Income: $975

    Estimated Monthly Expenses:
    Debt Service: $274
    Taxes: $174
    Maint/repairs/CapEx: $165
    Vacancy: $110
    Insurance: $32
    Property Management: $110
    Total Cost: $865 per month

    Monthly Cash Flow: $110

    I pasted the inspection report from HUD below. I am not able to get the water turned on for my own inspection so I was wanting to see if other investors would

    Plumbing: "water lines tested and would not hold pressure, the main line from the tank is malfunctioning and allow air to escape."

    HOC: Atlanta
    Property Condition Report
    Item Description/Condition Item Functionality Functionality/Test Notes
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Cooling/Air-Conditioner: Damaged --Heating/Furnace: Damaged
    HVAC tested and functional?:
    --HVAC System Duct: OK
    _____________________________________
    Yes
    generator by-pass - several rooms would not energize, possibly due to faulty GFI's, the AC would not turn on a
    visual inspection of all components was conducted and unit appears in good condition. Recommend electrician
    test the unit
    same as above duct appears intact
    _____________________
    _____________________________________
    generator by-pass home energized the master bedroom and bedroom 3 have GFI breakers in the panel box
    that would not reset there for the power in those rooms did not work, the GFI in the kitchen and the bathroom
    would also not reset causing the power to the surrounding outlets not to work
    Electrical Wiring: Damaged --Other: N/A --Other: N/A
    _____________________
    Electric supply tested and functional?:
    __________________________________________________________
    Yes
    ____________________
    _____________________________________
    over is operational there is smoke damage and rust on the stove cabinets are present and intact
    _____________________________________
    Stove/Range/Oven: Damaged
    --Kitchen Cabinets: OK
    --Other: N/A
    Built-in appliances tested and functional?:
    __________________________________________________________
    Plumbing: OK
    --Sink: N/A
    --Other: N/A
    Water supply tested and functional?:
    Water Heater: OK
    Yes ____________________
    water lines tested and would not hold pressure, the main line from the tank is malfunctioning and allow air to escape.
    __________________________________________________________
    Yes ____________________
    _____________________________________
    water heater was inspected for rust and visible defects and it appears new
    _____________________________________
    Water heater functional?:
    _____________________________________
    Yes ____________________
    Sewer/Septic System: OK
    --Toilet: N/A
    --Other: N/A
    _____________________
    Sanitary & plumbing system functional?:
    __________________________________________________________
    Yes ____________________
    visual inspection of components conducted with no notable defects no water was introduced due to intact winterization
    _____________________________________
    several shingles were missing or out of place on the roof, no water stains inside nor in the attic
    Roof: Damaged --Other: N/A
    Roofing in acceptable condition?:
    Yes
    _
    __
    __
    __
    __
    __

    Thanks for any advice provided!

    Sincerely,
    Jarred

     With everything mentioned in the report as an "unknown" or specifically not working, I would say that affects the offer. What's in your $12k estimate? If you have to fend for plumbing and electrical won't that take most of the expense?

  • Realtor · Douglasville, GA · Member since 2016 · 44 posts · 17 votes
    10y

    Just have it inspected and get a repair estimate, then you will have a much better idea of the cost.  On the deal overall, that's not a lot of cash flow.  I would pass just on that basis but make sure your expenses are realistic before you do that: taxes look high, vacancy looks high, insurance looks a little low, and property management looks high.  Your total expenses should be around 50% of the gross rent not included debt service.

  • Jarred MussenPro Member
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    Investor · Gainesville, FL · Member since 2015 · 25 posts · 6 votes
    10y

     These are the known cosmetic updates that are needed: 

    Flooring 

    Pressure washing 

    Fridge oven & dishwashers 

    Paint rooms and outside banister 

    Fan blade missing and fan needed in other room and 4 fans outside

    Hardware for master bath miscellaneous 

    Yeah I was  originally advise that I should be able to get 1100 in rent but after further research it's looking like I would be lucky to get 1000. 

  • Investor · Decatur, GA · Member since 2015 · 56 posts · 38 votes
    10y

    Offer 40k for it and see if he accepts.

  • Investor · Decatur, GA · Member since 2015 · 56 posts · 38 votes
    10y

    Offer 40k for it and see if he accepts.

  • Investor · Allen Park, MI · Member since 2015 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    10y
    I agree with Tareq 40k is good offer. Did a quick flip calculation 110000 ARV 70% = 65000 Profit if flip 40000 MAO (maximum allowable offer)
  • Investor · Allen Park, MI · Member since 2015 · 18 posts · 4 votes
    10y
    Sorry profit if flip 25k Then (MAO) no more than 40k
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