Current Deal I may be interested in Rochester, NY

Current Deal I may be interested in Rochester, NY

London, UK · Member since 2016 · 76 posts · 45 votes

HI Guys and Gals,

I'm currently really interested in the following property but would love experts thoughts on this? Really appreciated! 

List Price : $15,000 - Foreclosure

         Single Family 4 bedroom/ 2 full bathrooms

         2 Car garage in the back  yard with a sizeable back yard half fenced in

Located in Rochester NY

  I did some basic numbers just based off of the pictures and came up with this tell me if my estimations are on par

Income - about 1100/month (based off of rentometer 4 bedrooms in the area)

Expenses

Tax - 130

Insurance - 60

utilities - renter pays

vacancy - 55

repairs - 110

Cap ex - 110

Property Management - 110

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$600

Capital expenditures that we'll need to put into the house before renting based off of the pictures

(new roof - about $7,000

the inside ceiling looks like there is water damage and might need to be re plastered as well as the flooring in each room may or may not need work - $7,000

Kitchen looks workable minus a few cosmetic fixes on the cabinets

plumbing - will need inspection to look at it

foundation - needs inspection to look at it

windows - inspection

let's just say 20k into renovating and making it renter ready and we are able to low ball them and purchase it for 12k

cash on cash roi - 15% which is great for me (anythiing more than 10% cocroi i'm ok with)

Again, please let me know your thoughts on things i could be missing and if this looks like a good deal!

Thanks!!!

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Rental Property Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 303 posts · 154 votes
9y
Charlene Isoh I know this house. It hit Zillow this morning. At best this area for single is around $22k with a new c of o and rented. Your projected rent for the house is off. I think at best you will get around $700-$775. Good luck with the purchase and rehab.
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  • London, UK · Member since 2016 · 76 posts · 45 votes
    9y

    Please see above

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2015 · 499 posts · 169 votes
    9y

    Is this in the city of Rochester? 

  • Rochester, NY · Member since 2013 · 101 posts · 48 votes
    9y

    That seems a little high on rent, but really depends on where it is. I have a 4 that I'll be happy with 1000. What's the street/neighborhood? 

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    Developer · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 403 posts · 338 votes
    9y

    @Charlene Isoh this all depends on the neighborhood as to whether that $1100 rent projection is accurate or not. Our city changes street by street and block by block so don't depend on a rentometer in Rochester to give you accurate market rents. If this property is located in North Winton Village then you can count on $1100 all day long. If the property is located in Beechwood, then your projections may be way off. It sounds like you are buying for cash flow so you may not be concerned with after rehab value but if you are concerned with valuation check the ARV against relevant comps and make your decision accordingly.

  • London, UK · Member since 2016 · 76 posts · 45 votes
    9y

    @Martin Grizzanti @Steve Santacroce Thanks for the quick response! It's located in the city of Rochester neighborhood: 19th Ward

  • London, UK · Member since 2016 · 76 posts · 45 votes
    9y

    @Matthew Drouin thanks for the input..my main worry is Cashflow...not too interested in selling anytime soon...( buy and hold strategy)  niche : single family and small multi family duplexes 

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2015 · 499 posts · 169 votes
    9y

    If your paying 35k total (closing and rehab) and getting 1000k in rent...It is a no brainer for me

  • Rental Property Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 303 posts · 154 votes
    9y
    Charlene Isoh I know this house. It hit Zillow this morning. At best this area for single is around $22k with a new c of o and rented. Your projected rent for the house is off. I think at best you will get around $700-$775. Good luck with the purchase and rehab.
  • London, UK · Member since 2016 · 76 posts · 45 votes
    9y

    @Aqil Dharamsey  thanks for your input...are these projections taking into consideration that it's renovated?

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    It really depends on where in the 19th ward.  Off Thurston or Genesee, not so much, but off Genesee park & closer to University of Rochester, that rent is quite possible.  

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 477 posts · 426 votes
    9y

    @Charlene Isoh I'm with @Aqil Dharamsey on this one as far as rents go. Maybe as high as $850 in you're in a good part of the area. 

    Also, lower end rentals: you're going to run vacancy higher than 5%, and property management is likely going to be higher than 10% by the time it's all said and done. I'd suggest 8.3% vacancy at a minimum (going up from there for tougher neighborhoods) and PM at a minimum of 10% (but I tend to use 12%-13% to account for lease-up feels, maintenance surcharges, etc., etc.) Your maintenance budget might be a tad low (especially if you're using property management) but probably isn't too far off.

    And double check the tax bill - $1560/year seems low to me. It might have been reassessed after the foreclosure, or previously had STAR, or some other trickery that costs you $1,000 a year after the fact. 

    This would be a pass from me. 

  • Property Manager · Rochester, NY · Member since 2015 · 243 posts · 62 votes
    9y

    you know my opinion. real estate comes down to your comfort level some people will say it's a bad deal others will say it's great all depends on who you ask. But I can more then guarantee it will sell very fast and for more then 15k. come back in 2 weeks promise it's already off market by then. that's the great thing about real estate everyone can have their own niche and risk level.

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