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First property starting with a 4Plex

Michael Rodriguez

Bay Shore, NY · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 7 votes

Hi All! I've beem researching the Rochester NY amd Buffalo NY markets for approximately a year now while listemimg to the podcasts (up to number 97) and educating myself as i go. im 27 years old and intend to retire by 35 through multi unit buy and hold investing and im starting with this property. looking for any and all feedback here! House is in Rochester The data (monthly where relevant): Neighborhood rating- C+/B- Purchase Price- $97,000 (30 year fixed @ 4.15%) 5% down plus closing costs (4850 +roughly 5000= 9850) PMI- $130 Taxes- $250 Water- $41 Insurance- $197 capex (very conservative)- $250 property mgmt - $150 Rental Income- $2,650 now in terms of vacancy, previous owner (friend of mine) has an agreement with a rehabilitation facility in the area that provides rent for a year as part of their treatment program. They are short on apartments for placement so they can keep my apartments filled at all times. Additionally- the capex is extremely conservative. it actually only requires 150/ month by my calculations based on how new most things are (replaced 2 years ago) but i added some extra buffer to be safe. how does this rate in terms of the deal? thanks in advance! -Mike

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L. Matthew PerryPro Member

Real Estate Investor · Plainfield, NJ · Member since 2013 · 27 posts · 12 votes

8y

@Michael Rodriguez - Congrats on your first acquisition target and welcome to Rochester! I have been investing in Rochester and Buffalo since 2008. Couple things I wanted to point out regarding your monthly numbers:

- Your maintenance estimate seems a bit low. I realize you consider the units in great condition since much of it was recently redone, but don't forget the tenant factor. Given the neighborhood rating you provided, you may not always get the best class of tenant that will take care of the units. Keep in mind, if you take on any RHA or DSS tenants, you will absolutely have higher maintenance costs.

- Property Management Fees are usually 8-12% of rents. So unless you are self managing or have a nice connection who is giving you a break, the $150 seems low to me.

- Water is tricky because tenants in multifamily units tend to be inefficient with the use of water. And it's hard for an owner to control that or even know which tenant might be the culprit. In my experience with my four families properties, the bill each quarter is between $150-$225.

- I would suggest if possible, you keep the tenants on a month to month to gauge their performance before you commit long term even though the treatment center is paying the rent. You just don't know the type of tenant you might get and it may make sense to have flexibility on when you can ask them to leave.

- When you calculate taxes, make sure you account for the change in assessed value which would impact your Monroe and City tax bill. You can usually call the city and get an estimate on how much your taxes would change based on the purchase price since Rochester claims to assess at market value.

- You should also consider a vacancy rate in your analysis - usually 10%. Keep in mind, even with the rehabilitation facility as a source of tenants, you'll need time in between tenants to make rent ready which means you aren't getting paid.

Overall from a cash on cash perspective, it seems like a good deal with room for the unexpected.

Good luck and congrats again!

PS - 5% on an investment property is a good deal.

PSS - You mentioned having a goal of 8 properties with 4 in your name and 4 in your fiancee's name. Keep in mind that once you get married some banks view you two as one and may limit your combined holdings. Consider putting a few in an LLC once they season. That way you can continue to buy in your name.

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Enyi Ajoku
Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 107 posts · 19 votes
8y
Originally posted by @L. Matthew Perry:

@Michael Rodriguez - Congrats on your first acquisition target and welcome to Rochester! I have been investing in Rochester and Buffalo since 2008. Couple things I wanted to point out regarding your monthly numbers:
- Your maintenance estimate seems a bit low. I realize you consider the units in great condition since much of it was recently redone, but don't forget the tenant factor. Given the neighborhood rating you provided, you may not always get the best class of tenant that will take care of the units. Keep in mind, if you take on any RHA or DSS tenants, you will absolutely have higher maintenance costs.
- Property Management Fees are usually 8-12% of rents. So unless you are self managing or have a nice connection who is giving you a break, the $150 seems low to me.
- Water is tricky because tenants in multifamily units tend to be inefficient with the use of water. And it's hard for an owner to control that or even know which tenant might be the culprit. In my experience with my four families properties, the bill each quarter is between $150-$225.
- I would suggest if possible, you keep the tenants on a month to month to gauge their performance before you commit long term even though the treatment center is paying the rent. You just don't know the type of tenant you might get and it may make sense to have flexibility on when you can ask them to leave.
- When you calculate taxes, make sure you account for the change in assessed value which would impact your Monroe and City tax bill. You can usually call the city and get an estimate on how much your taxes would change based on the purchase price since Rochester claims to assess at market value.
- You should also consider a vacancy rate in your analysis - usually 10%. Keep in mind, even with the rehabilitation facility as a source of tenants, you'll need time in between tenants to make rent ready which means you aren't getting paid.
Overall from a cash on cash perspective, it seems like a good deal with room for the unexpected.
Good luck and congrats again!
PS - 5% on an investment property is a good deal.
PSS - You mentioned having a goal of 8 properties with 4 in your name and 4 in your fiancee's name. Keep in mind that once you get married some banks view you two as one and may limit your combined holdings. Consider putting a few in an LLC once they season. That way you can continue to buy in your name.
If he or his wife (assuming they are married) can go in alone on the loan. It would only count against them if they go in together
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L. Matthew PerryPro Member
Real Estate Investor · Plainfield, NJ · Member since 2013 · 27 posts · 12 votes
8y
@Enyi Ajoku - Thanks for the feedback. I am aware of that. I was just saying that some banks will not view them as separate even though they may not want to be co-applicants. I've experienced this with certain banks. Just something to be cognizant of and a question to ask when discussing with the bank they choose.
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Kell Witkowicz
Rochester, NY · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes
8y
what zip code/area is this in??
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