$300K and 18 months later- was our first BRRRR worth it?

$300K and 18 months later- was our first BRRRR worth it?

San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 273 posts · 226 votes

I'm beyond excited to be able to share this. 18 months ago @Chris Dumm and I sold our house and bought a 4 unit complex. The complex had good bones but was a C property (in terms of condition and tenants) in a B neighborhood. We moved into one unit and got to work! We gave the old tenants 60 days notice and renovated each unit.  We put in completely new kitchens, upgraded the electrical, renovated bathrooms, new flooring and paint, etc. We added on site laundry and redid all the landscaping.

Doing all this allowed us to increase rents 30%+, which means the three rented units cover the PITI for the property so we have no housing costs. But as this was a BRRRR, the true mark of success would come when we could pull some of our cash out (we knew we would never pull it all out) to fund the next purchase.

Our original plan for the property was a cash out refi. Unfortunately, one of two big mistakes we made was not planning for the possibility of rates rising; with a huge mortgage a 0.5-0.75% interest rate increase makes a huge difference. Luckily, there's one bank which does HELOCs on OO 4 units. But they won't count rental income until it's reported on tax returns, and all our new tenants had moved in Q1 of 2017, so we wouldn't have the rental income on our taxes for almost a year.

So we waited. And waited. And waited some more. And of course while we waited life kept us busy, units turned over, and we wrapped up some final improvements to the property we didn't get to in the first round. Finally, it was time to do our taxes! And just as quickly start the HELOC process.

This Monday we had the property appraised. Knowing that refi appraisals are notoriously lower than purchase appraisals we anxiously awaited the appraiser's analysis. Today we got the number; here's the breakdown:

Purchase price: $1.175M

Down payment: $235K

Renovation cost: $63K

Sweat equity: Enough to fill a dozen home depot 5 gallon buckets

Initial goal ARV: $1.35M

Actual appraisal: $1.4M!!!

We actually beat our goal! With 18 months and $298K we increased out net worth by $225K! And that doesn't even include the $25K of the mortgage paid down in that time. Assuming our DTI allows it, we can pull out $200K and maintain an 80% LTV on the property.

We've known this whole time that this property was worth it, but this kind of outside validation feels amazing. This has been a tough road, and we've grown by leaps and bounds in terms of our renovation understanding and our landlording skills.

I don't yet have final numbers on loan amount and terms, but even if the story stopped here I consider it a success. More importantly we've almost reached one of our 2018 goal- be ready to buy another multifamily.  Onwards and upwards! 

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  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    8y

    Congrats on getting validation of your analysis and hard work. I have done a few of these and have yet to get all my money out in large part due to the conservative appraisals for refinances. I also get impacted because I typically can purchase with 80% LTV (last purchase was 75% LTV) but have only been able to get decent rates at 70% LTV for non owner occupied refi.

    I suspect some of your equity was via market appreciation. I have benefitted from market appreciation on my BRRRR but even with the market appreciation on top of the forced appreciation I have yet to get all of my invested money out via the refi.

    I know you guys worked hard on this rehab.  I am glad your hard work paid dividends. 

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 273 posts · 226 votes
    8y

    @Dan H. Thanks for your kind words!  I agree that we benefited from market appreciation as well.  Also, given that refi appraisals are usually lower I'm hoping this means that if we wanted to sell we could count on another $100K+.

  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Sarah D.:

    @Dan H. Thanks for your kind words!  I agree that we benefited from market appreciation as well.  Also, given that refi appraisals are usually lower I'm hoping this means that if we wanted to sell we could count on another $100K+.

    If you see the same percent lower for refi appraisals than purchase appraisals for RE at that price as I see on RE at about 50% of that price I think you would get the $100k+ higher than the refi appraisal if sold. For my RE I see refi appraisals close to 10% below what I believe the ARV to be and I know I have a better idea of the ARV than the appraiser because I see his comps and adjustments and I saw all the comps when on the market and know what is wrong with the adjustments.

    Do you still live in one of the units?  I have some interest in seeing the completed work seeing that when I was there the first unit was just started (you had picked out the flooring but it was not installed).  Maybe if I am in the area I could see if you happen to be home (I suspect we are both very busy).

    Or you can schedule an "after" rehab BP Meetup :=).  In contrast to the just started rehab BP Meetup. 

    My last rehab I was considering the "after" rehab BP Meetup but another Escondido investor was willing to have her halfway through rehab BP Meetup that month (she was a little further than you were in the rehab at the time you hosted the BP Meetup and was rehabbing both units of the attached duplex part of a triplex at the same time).  It was probably for the best for me not to host the BP Meetup as I did not have much time (new tenant moved in literally the day the unit was ready for a tenant).

    Congrats

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2015 · 273 posts · 226 votes
    8y

    @Dan H. We do still live in one; you're welcome to stop by!

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