My first real BRRRR!

My first real BRRRR!

Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes

Here is the story of my first real BRRRR! I am so incredibly proud of this property and even through some of the "hardships" i experienced throughout this process i could not be happier with the lessons learned and all of the value gained.

This is a real life example with real numbers.

Property and Loan Details

  • 3 Family
  • Location: New Britain, CT
  • Purchase: $123,000
  • Rehab budget: $55,300
  • Down payment: $18,450 (15%)
  • Loan principal amount: $104,550
  • Total Loan (principal plus rehab): $159,850
  • Appraised as-is value: $125,000 (pre-rehab)
  • Appraised ARV: $255,000
  • Loan Terms: 9.99% for 12 months
  • Interest only payments each month
  • Points: 3.5

Financing

The hard money lender had a few programs. The one I elected was:

  • 85% of purchase and 100% of rehab
    • 15% down ($18,450)
  • Total loan must be 75% or less than the after repair value (ARV)
    • Appraised ARV: $255,000

Here is why my property worked for this program:

  • Appraised ARV value: $255,000
  • 75% of $255,000 = $191,250
  • Total Loan: $159,850 / $255,000 = 62.69%
  • 62.69% is less than 75% or $159,850 is less than $191,250

Lessons

Those were the numbers, which is only part of the experience. Here are some other things that i learned and the stories behind the lessons:

  • Always work with trusted, vetted contractors. If you are like me and doing a long distance rehab, this just got 100 times more important. For those of you that do not know, i am in TX and the property is in CT. 
  • Always budget for contingencies. It is impossible to nail your budget down to the penny. Haven’t you seen those HGTV shows? There are always unexpected issues.
  • If you are renovating an unoccupied property, make sure that when you’re done for the day it looks like the property is occupied. I learned this the hard way after half of my copper pipes were stolen, the other half were bent and damaged and one of my brand new windows was smashed in. This was a $5,000 mistake.
  • When you are getting quotes do not just go with the cheapest one. I was accepting bids for a parking area expansion. I had about 50 people respond to the ad. Here is what happened:

Strike 1: I went with the cheapest guy who did it for about $1,500. There was also a dumpster in the parking area that he assured me he would dig out and place stone under. I mean think about those logistics. How are you going to dig out under a full size dumpster without moving it? I agree, this was stupid on my part for agreeing to this. He finished the job and sent pictures. The pictures were pretty good! Coincidentally, no pictures of the work around the dumpster. Nevertheless, fine, I paid him. Guess what? Turns out pictures were deceiving the parking are looked like complete hell.

  • Incorrect stones on grass...
  • Under the dumpster (sideways, sorry!)
  • Grass coming through stones (sideways, ugh)

Strike 2: Price was $1,300, different guy and “far superior” stone and materials. It was great for 1 week. The area was packed down, no grass showing through and seemed to be fine. This time i was actually in the area and inspected it myself. It seemed great so i paid him. Everything was okay until it rained. After it rained it turned into a massive mud pit. I had to call tow trucks to remove stuck tenants. In fact, there was a time where the tow truck gave up due to such poor conditions. Can you imagine the angry phone calls I was getting?

  • The mud pit
  • Van in mud up to its bumper

Attempt 3: The third guy did an absolutely incredible job. He dug out the whole area much deeper, used real professional machines and laborers and it has been a dream ever since. That cost was $5,700. If I had just done it right the first time…

  • Looks awesome!
  • No complaints from tenants anymore!

Remember the guy that was “strike 1” in the story above about the parking area? So he also agreed to refinish all of my wood floors for about $1,700. Jack of all trades, right? This property is 4,000 square feet with nearly all wood floors. Great price, right? Him and i agree to the job and he promptly “finishes” the job as he said he would and sends about a dozen pictures showing his work. The pictures look great! I am happy with the work and send the payment. Come to find out, once the floors dried, they looked horrible. There were polyurethane splashes, bare spots and sander gouges everywhere.

  • Looks decent right?
  • Pictures can be very deceiving...

Lesson: Do not rely on pictures, ever. If you are in the area, get off the couch and go look at it yourself. If you are too busy or not in the area, have someone go inspect the work. Pay someone to go inspect the work. It will be worth your time and money. Trust me. The only exception i have to this is my trusted general contractor who has done dozens of jobs for me and i trust him explicitly.

Those were some of the stories i had from this job. Here is where i am at now. At the time of this writing, it is April 2019. May 2019 will be 12 months which means i need to refinance out of this hard money loan and into something more permanent. I am well underway on the refinance already.

Last week i paid for an appraisal to be done on this completely renovated property. I have not received it back yet, but when i do i will receive a loan based on 75% of the appraised value. Here is how i am hoping the numbers work out.

Refinance

Total amount to be paid off: $159,850

Appraised ARV: $255,000

  • This was done pre-renovation but is still a good number to use for projections.
  • Still waiting for my post-renovation appraisal

$255,000 x 75% =$191,250

$191,250 – $159,850 = $31,400

$31,400 – $10,000 (closing costs) = $21,400

At closing, i am hoping to receive $21,400 to fund my next deal.

Current Rental Income

I was able to rent this property after all of the interior renovations had been completed. My tenants were in place while some of the exterior items like the roof, siding and parking area were being worked on. Here are the specs on the rental income (utilities are not included):

Unit 1: $1,550

Unit 2: $1,600

Unit 3: $1,550

Garage: $75

Total gross income:

Monthly: $4,775

Annual: $57,300

Overall, even though i have not quite wrapped up this whole experience, i would say it has been an extremely positive one. I have a few other rentals but none required the extensive planning, renovations and forethought that this one did. I learned a lot of valuable lessons here that i will take with me throughout my real estate investing career.

As always, if anyone has any questions about anything they thing i could help them with, please feel free to reach out! I am always willing to give my time to a fellow entrepreneur.

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After

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  • Scott JensenPro Member
    Financial Advisor · Blaine, MN · Member since 2014 · 477 posts · 387 votes
    7y

    Congratulations and thanks for sharing! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Bellefonte, PA · Member since 2018 · 73 posts · 30 votes
    7y

    Congrats on staying the course and getting this project done! Awesome job! Please keep us informed regarding your final appraisal... 

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    @Scott Jensen thank you! my pleasure!

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    @Brian Stennett Sr thank you. yes, i plan on updating the thread with the appraisal number. should be very interesting!

  • Long Island NY · Member since 2019 · 133 posts · 104 votes
    7y

    Wow, that is really awesome man! 

    I have been doing a lot of thinking lately myself since I am brand new. My end game goal has and will always be long term passive income (Buy and Hold). I think I am going to skip focusing on wholesaling and flips and go right for the rentals.  

    Thank you for your numbers and tips. 

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    @Shaun James Do it! you will not regret it. if all that typing ends up helping someone, then i’m happy! if you have any other questions, etc that i might be able to help you with, don’t hesitate to ask!

  • Long Island NY · Member since 2019 · 133 posts · 104 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ryan Deasy:

    @Shaun James Do it! you will not regret it. if all that typing ends up helping someone, then i’m happy! if you have any other questions, etc that i might be able to help you with, don’t hesitate to ask!

     Thanks, Ryan! You are a stand-up guy! 

  • Dublin, CA · Member since 2017 · 40 posts · 14 votes
    7y

    @Ryan Deasy

    Apologies for the newbie question.

    I understand the numbers you posted regarding the initial hard money lender based financing you obtained on the property.

    What I’m trying to understand next is after you rehabbed the property and got it re appraised for ~ 255k, did you have to put down additional capital?

    Overall how much $ out of pocket do you have in the property.

    FYI, i have a copy of David Greene's book on BRRRR that I plan on reading very soon. So apologies for asking you a basic question that maybe covered in this resource

  • Investor · Fall River, MA · Member since 2019 · 53 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    Congrats on completing your first. Also thank you for the advice. I'll be looking o do my first this year.  @Ryan Deasy

  • Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    Good breakdown @Ryan Deasy. Good job and best of luck with the refinance.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 89 posts · 77 votes
    7y

    @Ryan Deasy

    Thank you for the detailed post. How long did it take to rehab the property and place tenants?

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 115 posts · 29 votes
    7y

    @Ryan Deasy

    Thanks for sharing!

    At what point did you feel ready to rehab a property outside of your local area? Did you do rehabs in your own area before?

    How often did you go onsite to do your own inspections?

    Sasha

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    Sorry it has taken a while to get back everyone. 

    @Shashank R. to be clear the 255k figure was part of my original pre-rehab appraisal. I have not received the post-rehab appraisal yet. I am not sure why you would think i would need to put down additional capital. Can you clarify?

    i spent at least 20k out of pocket over and above the original 55k rehab budget. 

    No worries at all. I am happy to answer any questions you have. if you can clarify your first question, hopefully i can answer it better for you. 

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    @Ismael Mathurin thank you and you're welcome. Best of luck with the first deal!

    @Michael Noto thank you very much. i used one of your references for original hard money loan, so thank you again. 

    @Alan Dunlap i placed tenants in december and my original purchase was may. it took about 45 days to fill the property. The rehab dragged out for nearly the entire term of the HML, but i would say the bulk of the rehab was completed in 90 days.

    @Sasha Josephs i have been long distance landlording for quite a while now. rehabbing outside of my local area was a breeze to be honest. i have a team i can trust and i just made phone calls and checked on progress when necessary. if i was in the area, i would be there swinging a hammer until 3am everyday. for me, i am better off far away. 

    i have not done any local rehabs. 

    i flew back to the area once, maybe twice, to check on things. i did not fly back to just check on things though. the trip was always for other reasons and i just popped by because i was in the area. if you do not trust your contractor while you are away, that is your first problem. nowadays, we can send pictures and videos very easily. that is all that i need. 

  • Dusty CadyPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Reno, NV · Member since 2013 · 52 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    Well done dude! Does your HM Lender lend in Nevada?

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    @Dustin Cady thank you! yes my understanding is that he does business in all 50 states.

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    Alright y'all the appraisal is in...

    255,000!

    It came in last week originally at 250k. Long story short the same appraisal gave me more credit for a detached garage that was about half the size, not rehabbed, not rented and no electricity about 3 months ago during a different refinance.

    The property i detailed here obviously has a fully rehabbed garage, it's rented, electricity works, etc. 

    The appraiser agreed with me and bumped it from 250k to 255k. i am okay with this, as 255k was the number i was projecting for an ARV from day 1. the market has really picked up in that particular area and i truly do think this property is worth closer to 270k, but i will take the 255k for now.

    So, this means i will get 75% of 255k, which is 191,250.

    I owe 159,850.

    191,250 - 159,850 is 31,400. 

    Depending on what closing costs are, i hope to get somewhere around 22,500 to 25,000 at closing. 

    On to the next deal!

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2018 · 89 posts · 77 votes
    7y

    Congrats on nailing the ARV

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2019 · 92 posts · 15 votes
    7y

    Man this is awesome and inspiring, currently searching for my first deal to Brrrr. I may have one on the agenda, just have to make sure partners are in it as well. Congrats on the deal and best of luck on your future deals!

  • Member since 2019 · 38 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    @Ryan Deasy

    Good work on this project. What city and state was your project?

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    @Luther Avery thank you. this was in new britain, ct.

  • Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2017 · 114 posts · 108 votes
    7y

    @Ryan Deasy thanks for sharing your experience. I appreciate the tips on working with contractors based on your experience. Hopefully you save many others the headaches you experienced. Great work and foresight on your execution. It is a nice property that should cash flow well.

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    7y

    @Ryan Deasy Very cool! I have a newbie question, How do you calculate ARV? A lot of people say the online websites like Zillow and etc have incorrect property values?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Charleston SC · Member since 2019 · 78 posts · 43 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ryan Deasy:

    @Ismael Mathurin thank you and you're welcome. Best of luck with the first deal!

    @Michael Noto thank you very much. i used one of your references for original hard money loan, so thank you again. 

    @Alan Dunlap i placed tenants in december and my original purchase was may. it took about 45 days to fill the property. The rehab dragged out for nearly the entire term of the HML, but i would say the bulk of the rehab was completed in 90 days.

    @Sasha Josephs i have been long distance landlording for quite a while now. rehabbing outside of my local area was a breeze to be honest. i have a team i can trust and i just made phone calls and checked on progress when necessary. if i was in the area, i would be there swinging a hammer until 3am everyday. for me, i am better off far away. 

    i have not done any local rehabs. 

    i flew back to the area once, maybe twice, to check on things. i did not fly back to just check on things though. the trip was always for other reasons and i just popped by because i was in the area. if you do not trust your contractor while you are away, that is your first problem. nowadays, we can send pictures and videos very easily. that is all that i need. 

    Thanks for sharing this deal! I'm very curious as to why you've stuck to rehabbing outside of your area and not in your area. Did long distance land lording lead you into long distance rehabbing? I am doing local rehabs and it just seems like I would have a much harder time finding trusted contractors without my personal contacts and referrals. How do address this with the long distance rehabs? Also, are you finding the long distance deals on MLS or off market?

  • Lender · Farmington, CT · Member since 2015 · 542 posts · 321 votes
    7y

    @Tobie Palmer for residential properties (1-4 units) ARV will be calculated via comparables. They will compare the subject property to other properties that have sold that are similar. I would not use any website, especially zillow, to calculate ARV. Zillow is always off.

    @Brad Baker i lived in the area my rentals are in for most of my life. Thus, i know the area well. It is a blessing being far away. It has forced me to spend the time in finding people that i trust and putting rock solid systems in place. now that i have a team i can count on, it is usually pretty seamless. if i am not going to be physically doing the rehab, what is point of even being close to the property? nowadays, we have a the ability to take good pictures and great videos. nevertheless, i do send people out to check on jobs and report back every now and then. lately i have been forced to look off market. however, everything i have now was found on the MLS. any other questions, feel free to contact me. I am always happy to help.

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