condo deal with special assessments

condo deal with special assessments

Member since 2010 · 20 posts · 0 votes

Hello- I have an accepted offer in, with 15 days to review HOA books and records. Any input on this deal would be appreciated.

It is a villa in a condo development of 150 units in Longboat Key, FL. It is directly accross the street from the gulf. The complex was built in 1974, consists of 5 midrise 3 story condo structures and 9 villa buildings with 3-4 units per. The property has good amenities- 2 pools, tennis courts, boat slips on the bay side, excercise room, etc. Large well landscaped property. Tight HOA restrictions, well kept, only monthly or longer rentals, limit two tenants per year.

The unit is a 1 BR 1 BA end unit, closest to the road and beach 800 sq. ft., 120 sq. ft lanai. It is fully furnished and in excellent condition. Recently redone kitchen with granite, carport, washer/dryer in utility room. Rents typically $2500 during high season. We are looking to rent it high season only. Price $75,000. Asking price was $99,900. Seller paid $82k in April 2012. Property is assessed for taxes at $122k, taxes $2100.

Where it gets complicated is with the HOA fees and special assessment. HOA fee is $653 monthly, which includes $100 reserve. Cable, insurance, water, trash, pest control, etc. are included. This is about $100 higher than a lot of units on the island.

Identical units in the complex sold for as high as $245k before the crash.

The complex is undergoing renovations. Two of the villa buildings have been done at a cost of about $650k per- new stucco, roofs, windows, replace damaged wood, drywall, barrell tile roof trim, landscaping. The results look very good.

When this building is done, we have the option of retaning the slab only of the lanai as a patio or having the lanai rebuit as part of the regular a/c living space at our expense $12-15k. We could then maybe convert it to 2 BR 2 BA.

The midrises, although looking good on outside, have water intrusion issues on bay side from windows, etc. A recent engineering report was done showing this and some support and horizontal structure damage over the years, also. One of the buildings has already had some window replacement and stucco replacement.The HOA is currently evaluating the reports and figuring how to tackle the issues. It has not yet been determined if all issues presented will be repaired and when, nor has a dollar cost for the proposed repairs been issued.It is common for structures this old on the island to have issues.

There is a current annual special assessement for 2013 of $4200, paid in monthly installments. The same assessment was levied last year. The HOA has a history of generating no huge lump sum assessments, mostly pay as you go.

One last wrinkle, an end unit on opposite end of same building sold through foreclosure in 2012 unfurnished for $57k, no side yard, next to encased dumpster. Had sloping floor, unsure if any other issues.

Is this a great deal or not? The big risk seems to be the certain special assessments continuing. The realtor says to plan on the $4200 for 4-5 years. We are reviewing the midrise engineering reports, already have villa reports to try to put a number to worst case total complex repair costs.

The upsides include-

-potential substantial price appreciation. Longboat Key is very desireable.
- refurbished villa should be worth more, certainly look better.
-potential to convert to 2RB, 2 BA during refurbishing.
- rental income potential of approx. $10k per yr. to offset costs.

Downsides-

-unknown extent of repairs and costs.
-high HOA fees.
- unit is closest to beach, but also closest to Gulf of Mexico Dr. roadnoise that is busy during high season.

Thank you for any input and endurring this short novel.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2011 · 139 posts · 101 votes
    13y

    I would only consider this deal if you were using it more as a second home / vacation property vs. an investment. Just the monthly HOA and property taxes get you to $10k per year. What about liability insurance, maintenance for the interior, furnishing replacement, management? Even without the special assessment you are going to be cash flow negative and that doesn't even consider your cost of capital.

    Now if you could rent out for 12 months per year at $2000 to $2500 per month you could make this work.

  • Apopka, FL · Member since 2012 · 207 posts · 120 votes
    13y

    I'm not seeing it.

    It looks like the annual to the complex comes out to about $1000 to the complex between HOA and assessment.

    What is high season -- Nov - March or so? If you can rent it the whole time that gives about $12,500 in rent. Throw in vacancy in the 5 months, maintenance, taxes, cost of funds, etc. -- I just don't see it making money.

    You've got to be able to rent it most of the year to have a shot at even breaking even. Structural engineering problems add to the issues.

    If you assume that the special assessment is only short term it's still tough. That gives a little cash flow, but way to uncertain.

    I'd say wait around and see what happens to the engineering aspects. There's just too much risk that this becomes a bottomless pit of assessments as new issues are found and people quit paying their assessments. Come back and look again in 2 years. In a complex this large there will always be units for sale. Let somebody else take the risks at this point.

  • Durham, NC · Member since 2012 · 498 posts · 48 votes
    13y

    I am quite skeptical about this deal.
    Very old condo with expensive special assessments is a typical problem. You also want to make sure the rental figure is real.

    You may also want to check the HOA fee history to see if it is increasing.

  • Member since 2010 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Thank you for the input. We are definietely planning on using the unit personally quite a bit off of the high season of Jan-April, as we live 60 miles away.

    We currently have a renter in line for the $2500 per month for March and April 2013.
    I am prepared for the negative cash flow, with maybe the $8-10k in rent per year to offest some.

    I don't know if this changes the equation. HOA fees cover everything except telephone, contents insurance coverage.

    I was figuring that the appreciation potential from these levels of a renovated unit in a complex with good amenities on a prized beach area would be substantial.

    The HOA fees have been stable and they are looking for ways to reduce them.

    Thanks

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Stephen, that sounds scary. Are the owners typically well off and that assessment isn't killing them off? Are you ok with some more surprises?

    When you have water intrusion you can't always tell the extent of the damage until you actually tear into it.

    I live in a similar age complex and when there is talk about a total siding replacement which is around 30k each, many people freak.

  • Member since 2010 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Yes, the ownership is very stable, of the 150 units, there is onley one delinquent.

    The engineers have taken a look at the guts of the buildings by taking cutouts. I do have the engineering reports.

    We were compelled by the location, beach, amenities and the price. We are not prepared to spend a ton of money on a condo, as this would be our 3rd home. We just though that, with such a low price, and even if having to pay $50k over several years in assessments, we will still end up with a totally updated villa, both structurally and aesthetically in a great location steps from the beach.

    If we rent it 3-4 mos. per year at $2500 per month, that puts a dent in the cost, while we can use it the rest of the year.

    Concerning appreciation, is it unrealistic to look at prices at the real estate peak of $225k plus, and expect to get substantial growth maybe to $185k or so over several years?

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