Newbie's second offer in Santa Clarita (Los Angeles), CA

Newbie's second offer in Santa Clarita (Los Angeles), CA

New to Real Estate · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 61 posts · 26 votes

2 bed 2 bath, 1020 sq ft, built 1987

$355,000 offer ($365,000 asking)

$30,000 to make rent ready (includes $3500 two months holding costs)

$1141 mortgage (25% down at 3.125% for 30 years)

$381 taxes

$75 insurance

$150 HOA

$141 vacancy (6%)

$265 maintenance and capex (12%)

$2350 rent

$197 cash flow

$400,000 - $405,000 ARV

I think this one is accurate compared to my last attempt.  Thoughts appreciated.

Brett

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Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 88 posts · 22 votes
5y

@Brett D. - what about OOS options with a light/handyman rehab? I've done this in markets like Huntsville where I'm only spending $5-10k to get it rent ready and they cash flow pretty well. Yes I use a PM, but that removes most of the headaches for me.

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  • Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    Looks like a great deal. Rare to be cash flow positive in this market.

  • Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    Being a investor in Santa Clarita...my only caution will be $2350 in rent seems high for 2 bedroom specially if you are getting property for $350k unless it is fixer upper hence the price.

  • Investor · Palmdale, CA · Member since 2020 · 46 posts · 29 votes
    5y

    Nice Brett, is this a condo or house? Did you use traditional lending?

  • New to Real Estate · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 61 posts · 26 votes
    5y

    @Rohit Goel, I am kind of concerned about that. A similar home in the neighborhood went for around $2100 a year ago. Zillow estimates $2300, Rentometer gives it $2400, property management says $2300-2400. There aren't others in the immediate area that go up, so unfortunately I don't have much to go off of.

  • New to Real Estate · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 61 posts · 26 votes
    5y

    @Christopher Hill, thanks. It's a house. Prefab, but not a mobile home park. You own the property. Traditional loan.

  • Investor · Palmdale, CA · Member since 2020 · 46 posts · 29 votes
    5y

    That's awesome! I thought most prefab homes in the area were land leased. I'll have to look harder. And I put your numbers at about 180 cashflow on the BP rental calc.

  • New to Real Estate · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 61 posts · 26 votes
    5y

    @Christopher Hill yeah most are. Honestly, at the end of the day, if I average $125-150 pure cash flow, I'll be pretty happy. Especially with the forced equity I'm going for.

  • Insurance Agent · Valencia, CA · Member since 2017 · 23 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    Hey Brett, 

    if I understand your numbers correctly 

    355,000 Purchase price

    25% down = $88,750

    Rehab cost = $30,000

    Total cash invested = $118,750

    Cash flow = $197 (2394 annually)

    That's about a 2% cash on cash return. I'm not sure what your strategy or your criteria is but that's just something for you to thing about. 

  • Lender · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2018 · 110 posts · 48 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Ian Salinas:

    I agree with Ian. The COC is what you should look at on this deal. Obviously your strategy may not put an emphasis on this metric, as there are other aspects (appreciation, tax benefit, debt pay down) that may be more important to you, but don't lose sight of this one as well in your calculations.

    Hey Brett, 

    if I understand your numbers correctly 

    355,000 Purchase price

    25% down = $88,750

    Rehab cost = $30,000

    Total cash invested = $118,750

    Cash flow = $197 (2394 annually)

    That's about a 2% cash on cash return. I'm not sure what your strategy or your criteria is but that's just something for you to thing about. 

    I agree with this. The COC is what you should look at on this deal. Obviously your strategy may not put an emphasis on this metric, as there are other aspects (appreciation, tax benefit, debt pay down) that may be more important to you, but don't lose sight of this one as well in your calculations.

  • New to Real Estate · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 61 posts · 26 votes
    5y

    @Dan Schweit and @Ian Salinas I get your point. Terrible cash on cash return. Ya got anything better here?

    I'm torn. I really feel like I need to get into the game. I know I'm coming in at a real bad time compared to everyone that started 8-10 years ago. So, what... Figure I'm screwed and just wait for a crash... which who really knows? Or only go out of state, which means I have to go turnkey. Because there's no way my wife and I can stomach trying to do everything remotely. And then with the OOS turnkey, you hope it all works out close to the projections. Or there are those that say there's always a good deal around you and stick in your backyard.

    Or jump in the stock market when it too is at all time highs?

    Or just sit on my cash and wait?

  • Lender · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2018 · 110 posts · 48 votes
    5y

    I hear everything you just said, and I agree with it as well. I just wanted to make sure you are aware of that metric when you are running your numbers, and it seems like you are. Like I said, COC is not the only factor determining whether a deal is worth it to you or not. And, you are not wrong to be getting in now, as who knows where things are going 1-2 years from now. So, if you are happy with the numbers, then by all means, go for it! You might want to look into Palmdale and or Bakersfield as well. The numbers I have penciled out look better out there, and it is still in your own backyard relatively speaking. Some decent multi family options out in Bakersfield. Id be happy to chat with you about what my partners and I have found out that way if you'd like. Good Luck.

  • Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    I will go for it. That is how I started 8 years ago and now have 6 properties. California is more about appreciation.

  • Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    Dan  - I would love to connect with you. I am in Santa Clarita and would like to see what Palmdale and Bakersfield look like.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 88 posts · 22 votes
    5y

    @Brett D. - what about OOS options with a light/handyman rehab? I've done this in markets like Huntsville where I'm only spending $5-10k to get it rent ready and they cash flow pretty well. Yes I use a PM, but that removes most of the headaches for me.

  • Insurance Agent · Valencia, CA · Member since 2017 · 23 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    @Joe Steele

    Hey Joe, Huntsville is actually the market I’m currently looking in. How long have you been investing in that market.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 88 posts · 22 votes
    5y

    @Ian Salinas I’ve been there since 2018, it an incredible market. Happy to jump on a call if you want to discuss further!

  • New to Real Estate · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 61 posts · 26 votes
    5y

    @Dan Schweit, I appreciate it.  As far as Palmdale or Bakersfield, I figure I don't have the time for two to four-hour round trips... I might as well go out of state.  What do you think?

    @Rohit Goel, right on, brother... That's awesome. Have you gotten better COC rates?

    @Joe Steele, I get it, it sounds good.  Maybe after we get our feet wet.  But we can't stomach it for our first.

  • Insurance Agent · Valencia, CA · Member since 2017 · 23 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    @Joe Steele

    I’ll be up for that PM me.

  • Lender · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2018 · 110 posts · 48 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Brett D.:

    @Dan Schweit, I appreciate it.  As far as Palmdale or Bakersfield, I figure I don't have the time for two to four-hour round trips... I might as well go out of state.  What do you think?

    @Rohit Goel, right on, brother... That's awesome. Have you gotten better COC rates?

    @Joe Steele, I get it, it sounds good.  Maybe after we get our feet wet.  But we can't stomach it for our first.

    Your goal should be to not have to drive 2-4 hours very often at all. Maybe a few times in the beginning, but after that you shouldn't have to go much at all. Point behind it being, its only 2-4 hours away IF something goes wrong, or when you want to drive by and check on it once in a while, or when you have a crew on the rehab, you can check on their work once a week. The reason why a lot of us invest in real estate is because it passive. Buy it, which takes some looking, rehab it, which does take some time, then rent it, which should be relatively hands off. All this being said, LA is hard, and very crowded with investors, buts its still doable, just takes timing and lots of digging and offers. or just finding a decent deal, making a sizeable down payment, and letting time do the work. Still a good strategy as well. 

  • Insurance Agent · Valencia, CA · Member since 2017 · 23 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    @Brett Durfee

    Palmdale isn’t that far. Rents are good out there also. I have my first deal there being rented out for $2025.

    I understand the feeling that you want to get in the game already because I feel that way to get my second deal. What I would say is if those numbers meet your criteria go for it.

    I’m local in SCV if your ever want to link up.

  • Member since 2019 · 332 posts · 171 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Rohit Goel:

    I will go for it. That is how I started 8 years ago and now have 6 properties. California is more about appreciation.

    What is your plan on handling the appreciation upon sale? Depreciation recapture will make sure that you pay more taxes in the back-end than what you saved in the front-end via applying depreciation. The only option will be to do 1031 exchange, which means you will need to continue to take risks and keep your gains employed in the market, and never actually see the gains until you die. Which means rental real estate is basically a cash flow business. Unless the risk adjusted cash flow is better than other investments, what exactly is the point of banking on appreciation? Of course, this is not an issue if you are willing to pay more taxes in the back end than what you saved in the front end.

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    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    5y

    @Brett D. I agree with others in this post, this one is just too much cash to tie up for the return you'd get.  Also, I know reading the BP forums makes it seem like everyone else is crushing it and you're not, and you're "losing out" somehow, but that's just not true, and every month that goes by is more cash you can save up.

    I agree with the others - pick a lower cost market that's within driving distance, and see what you think.  If you have property management, you're not visiting very often, but if something catastrophic happens or you need to sell for some reason, you and your agent can just drive out.

  • Member since 2019 · 332 posts · 171 votes
    5y

    Many states have investments (turnkeys, rentals, etc) specifically designed for California investors. The locals will not touch those because they are not good deals, but they are expected to be ok for California folks since they will seem cheap to CA residents and have better coc than what can be achieved in CA.

  • Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    5y
    Originally posted by @Tushar P.:
    Originally posted by @Rohit Goel:

    I will go for it. That is how I started 8 years ago and now have 6 properties. California is more about appreciation.

    What is your plan on handling the appreciation upon sale? Depreciation recapture will make sure that you pay more taxes in the back-end than what you saved in the front-end via applying depreciation. The only option will be to do 1031 exchange, which means you will need to continue to take risks and keep your gains employed in the market, and never actually see the gains until you die. Which means rental real estate is basically a cash flow business. Unless the risk adjusted cash flow is better than other investments, what exactly is the point of banking on appreciation? Of course, this is not an issue if you are willing to pay more taxes in the back end than what you saved in the front end.


    If my property value doubles, I am ok with paying taxes assuming I sell the property. Right now I am looking to build my portfolio. I use refinancing to get the cash to build my portfolio.

  • Rental Property Investor · Glendale, CA · Member since 2020 · 58 posts · 20 votes
    5y

    @Brett Durfee, you summed up the Souther California investing dilemma so perfectly! I am struggling with the same issues. I haven't completely ruled out Bakersfield and Palmdale, but will probably invest oos.

    @Joe Steele, there are so many oos investing options. How did you select Huntsville?

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