Real estate as an inflation hedge

Real estate as an inflation hedge

Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

I have read many posts here and elsewhere stating that real estate is a good hedge against inflation. A look at inflation adjusted SF home prices since 1890 does validate that view. (Sorry, don't know how to insert an image here to show the graph.)

My problem is that I am thinking of buying an apartment complex and am not sure whether it will be a good hedge against inflation. I understand that rents will hopefully go up with inflation. But what about the resale value? It seems to me that the resale value will only match the rent increase if we were to assume that interest rates will remain unchanged. But the reality is that interest rates track inflation. (That is, the "real" interest rate does not change much and it is the nominal rate that changes.)

Here is a set of hypothetical numbers to demonstrate my point.

Let's say the NOI is $100K today and the interest rate (cost of capital) is 10%. We can say the property is worth $1,000,000 ballpark.

Suppose prices rise by 50% over the next 10 years, thanks to money being printed, etc. If we were to assume that our rents and expenses would also go up correspondingly, then our NOI should be $150,000. That, of course, means that the rents are a good hedge against inflation because $150K in 10 years will be worth the same as $100K today.

But what happens if we try to sell the property at that point because we need the cash? If inflation is higher in 10 years by 5% compared to today, it means interest rates will also be higher by that much. Thus, a potential buyer will be capitalizing the $150K NOI at 15% instead of today's 10%, resulting in the resale value of the property remaining $1 million.

The problem, of course, is that $1 million then would be equal to $666K today, which would mean that we would have taken a 1/3 loss on our asset in spite of rents going up.

Am I right to worry about this when considering an investment in an apartment complex?

Vikram

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Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
17y

Vikram, I think part of the answer is to get financing with a fixed rate now. I am am fixed (assumable) on my office building so I see inflation as an ally.

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  • Contractor · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 399 posts · 166 votes
    17y

    I think it's a concern, but...

    If the property is cashflowing then why would you want to sell. If you need money, at 10 years you will probably have enough equity in the property to pull out some cash for another purchase or whatever.

    Rich Weese has discussed real estate cycles in some of his posts, I would check them out. If the interest rate is truly that high, then that would be the wrong time in the real estate cycle to sell if you didn't have to.

    If the property or owner is distressed and a sale is forced, then you're in trouble anyways.

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    17y

    Good answer Emilio. Not really a reson to sell. Refi and have the cash, tax free and go buy something else. Have 2 foundations growing. Ain't real estate fun. Rich.

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    How do you pull equity out if values have not gone up in spite of NOI going up because the interest rate has also gone up? The interest rate is the major factor in your cap rate. If inflation goes up, interest rate goes up and your value does not go up.

    Why would you want to sell? For any number of reasons. Paying estate taxes, family emergency, alternate investments. My main point is that the idea of real estate as a hedge against inflation seems to make sense for houses, but does not seem to work for apartment complexes IF you wish to sell them. (It works fine if you are going to keep it.)

    And the reason it worries me is because the stimulus will have to be paid off at some time and I am sure it is going to be by printing money.

    Vikram

  • Real Estate Investor · North Carolina · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 483 votes
    17y

    As illiquid as real estate can be I wouldn't want it to be my only hedge. And I certainly wouldn't bet the farm on any one particular hedge (or scenario).

  • Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 684 votes
    17y

    Vikram, I think right now single family homes are a better use of funds. In most areas they cashflow, financing the total investment. Single family homes have a much bigger pool of buyers, owner occupants, small-time investors and pretty much anyone. The price drop has been much more substantial with single families versus apartments.

    Invest in what you know and make sure whatever you buy, you get a smoking good deal.

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    17y

    Vikram- I'm sorry but I have to disagree with"inflation goes up, but value doesn't". Huh? In times of hi interest or inflation(80's) values went up MONTHLY!! You couldn't keep up with it. The true value of the dollar doesn't matter, you can still refi and pull money out. For high inflation, real estate is absolutely the best.

    NC- I don't think anyone said RE was only hedge. Most believe in RE, gold, silver, cash, food etc, as do I. Rich.

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    Rich, I wasn't stating that values wouldn't go up as if it were a fact. I am trying to figure this thing out for myself because I wish to put part of my nest egg into RE but am worried about high inflation in a few years. My concern was that the numerator and denominator both go up (NOI, Cap rate) during times of high inflation.

    Vikram

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    17y

    Vikram, I think part of the answer is to get financing with a fixed rate now. I am am fixed (assumable) on my office building so I see inflation as an ally.

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    JonK, that is great. An assumable low interest loan will have significant value during times of high interest rates.

    Thanks all of you guys for responding to this thread. I have been worrying about this for a while and now I feel that the risk is not only controllable, but perhaps I can make money from the high inflation as well.

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    17y

    Steve L- One item you stated defeats your argument,imo. If there is " more buyers, owner users, pretty much anyone" buying SFRS, compared to apts. where there are fewer buyers.....What happened to simple law of economics? If you have same supply and more demand,(sfrs) prices are higher. If you have same supply and less demand(apts) prices are lower. I agree with your other points in your post.
    I just wanted readers not to think SFRS were the only way to go. In my area and others, the sfrs are being turned into an auction scenario due to reos and short sales. Some properties are selling for 50% more than listed prices!!
    Example- home listed at $194,900(also on realtor.com) has nearly 40 offers and accepted price was over $300,000. Ridiculous. Rich in FL.

  • Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 684 votes
    17y

    Single family homes in some areas of California have gone down 300-400%. Apartments have gone down 20-30%, there is some funky stuff that has gone down more, but nothing I'd want to own long term.

    For whatever reason there remains to be a group of California investors who overpay (meaning 6-8% cap) for 20+ unit apartments in A&B areas. From what I have seen the market for these has not moved too much, maybe they're selling for a 7-8% cap now with 20% lower revenue (rent reductions, or more occupancy), versus a 5.5% or 6% cap before.

    I agree with economics fully, but there seems to be a group of large pools of money that like to plop their money in nice California apartments and live with a lower ROI.

    So if you have cash and can find a turn around situation for an apartment it seems like a good idea, but buying at market, I wouldn't do it.

    It is bad of me to compare the investments as it is apples to oranges, but I know what I'd do with my $$ in California...

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    Steve, you are referring to people like me when you mention California investors who are willing to accept a lower return. Before I started reading the BP posts, I had no idea that you could get such better deals in other states. So my only point of comparison was the bank interest rate and even overpriced CA properties seem better than that.

    When you compare it to San Francisco, the Sacramento area seems cheap although it may be lousy compared to Texas, Ohio, etc.

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    17y

    Your replies is why i left CA and have spent my dollars in other places with excellent returns. You have certain parts of every state that are better than others, no doubt.
    One reason is the 300% drop compared to apt price drop is the SFRS went crazier on the upswing. Kind of like the tortoise and the hare. Both will get to where you want to go, just different roads travelled.
    Rich in Fl.

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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    17y

    One fact or point that is missing from the commercial, compared to SFR's is the fact that the commercial market folows or "lags" behind SFR's, meaning that while the commercial market has dropped 30% or so, it has a long way to continue to drop. It has just started it's decline, whereas, residential is more at the bottom or end of the decline.
    (Generally speaking of course, each individual market has its own DNA)

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    17y

    Will- still haven't seen the paperwork.

  • Real Estate Consultant · yucaipa, CA · Member since 2008 · 233 posts · 109 votes
    17y

    Rich,
    In that your post is talking about RE as a hedge against inflation I thought that I woulld address that specific issue.

    The Hedge is in the Land-not the building that sits on it. Structures on the land can be replaced and depreciated. Land however, appreciates at a level that historically has always kept pace with or exceeded Inflation. I realize we all tend to think about the whole package when talking about an inflation hedge but that is simple not true. Especially, for example, when you look at a 2bd home in Newport Bch. Ca. on a 5K lot, sitting on top of the hill overlooking the ocean selling for a reduced price of $2.5million-I can assure everyone that the Hedge against inflation has nothing to do with the home or structure that's sitting on that land.

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    Matt, I'm not sure the hedge is only because of the underlying land value. Rents do go up in apartment complexes and tenants do not have any ownership interest in the land.

    I think people are willing to pay a certain portion of their income for a dwelling and inflation increases their nominal incomes and, therefore, their rent budget.

  • Will BarnardPro Member
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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Rich Weese:
    Will- still haven't seen the paperwork.
    Sorry Rich, I was buried in paperwork and on the closing of my rehab flip, plus I have two other deals I am working on that required my attention - one very close to my personal residence which will make for a nice local rehab project!

    Anyways, document was sent via email earlier this evening.

  • Jeff TumbarelloPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Fort Myers, FL · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 323 votes
    17y
    Originally posted by Rich Weese:
    Good answer Emilio. Not really a reson to sell. Refi and have the cash, tax free and go buy something else. Have 2 foundations growing. Ain't real estate fun. Rich.



    Here is where we differ Rich,.

    There are 2 people/entitys that can take your investment from you.
    1. the bank that you owe money to
    2. The Socialists, sorry, the Goverment

    Why allow the banker access to your investment. The greatest way to enslave someone is to get them in debt.

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    17y

    Hi Jeff- not sure I understand your reply. I agree that the two entities listed by you is accurate. Debt is sometimes a neccessary evil. In the beginning , almost no one can buy for cash. Due to leverage, you have achance to increase wealth to a point where you MAY be able to pay cash.
    Eventually, I reccommend parallel programs. One with the leverages properties and one with free and clear. It works well for cash flow. The other one actually shows better return on investment due to the leverage. I like both. Rich

  • OR · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 845 votes
    17y

    Vikram, CAP rate does not include the mortgage expense. So when you go to sell, if mortgage rates are high, that does not affect the CAP rate of your building.

    When you figure CAP, it is all expenses but as if the building is free and clear.

    (Surely, nobody buys using CAP as the only criteria. It's just a quick guide to tell whether it is worth looking further)

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    PNW, the interest rate will definitely affect the cap rate. The cap rate is simply the rate at which you wish to capitalize a stream of future cash flows. In other words, it is the return that you seek on your investment. (Not exactly, but close enough for this explanation.)

    The return that you seek on your investment will have a relationship with the other investment opportunities that you have. If interest rates are high, you will be able to earn a higher interest rate from risk-free assets, and therefore you will expect a higher return from risky assets, and hence a higher cap rate.

  • Residential Lender · Littleton, CO · Member since 2008 · 128 posts · 16 votes
    17y

    Awesome question.

    I read a lot of the replies, not all, and didn't see what I felt was the correct answer.

    You hit the nail on the head. There is a correlation between cap rate, interest rate, and value.

    Here is my personal feeling about apartments. I'd love to have somebody prove me wrong.

    One thing you have exactly right is the financing. Apartments typically are commercial loans. Most have a fixed rate for about five years, then the rate adjusts. At this point a lot of times refinancing takes place.

    I agree with your world viewpoint. That longer term inflation will be here and high interest rates as well. If that is the case then those apartments that were purchased from four years ago to today have some issues. This can be from now to some five years in the future.

    This also assumes that the capital markets are there and able to refinance. The higher rate will potentially cripple a lot of apartment buildings. Even those that survive will have their values effected like you pointed out in your original example.

    Same building worth the same because of the 15% rate. This can be the case. I hate the idea of liquidating in five years, but I can forsee reasons that it is necessary. The idea of riding that scenario until it becomes "free and clear" is a pretty interesting deal.

    This is why investing in single family homes is a better choice for "buy and hold" investors. You can get your cost of capital at 30 year fixed rates. If you can get commercial money for 30 years fixed you are protected. Your property might not be worth as much, because the prospective buyer can't afford to pay as much. Your cash flow can be incredible.

  • Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    17y

    Thanks for the post, Mike. I think you understood my concern exactly.

    So, one would need to buy an apartment building with a long-term fixed rate loan that is assumable in order to be assured of fully hedging against inflation, right?

    Are such loans available? Easily?

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    17y

    Vikram, last year we got a 10 year fixed on a 20 year am. from Chase for our office building. We had the option to fix for 20 years at a higher rate. I'll check with them to see what they would do in our scenario.

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